Scribe Buster - Monday Magic News Episode 249 3/9/2026
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Episode #249 03/09/2026 As recorded: Monday Magic News - Episode 149 Myths and Monsters and Forgotten Runes.m4a
Here is a speaker-organized summary of the key points, decisions, and next steps from the conversation:
Summary of Speakers
Henboyd
Expressed frustration with a past relationship, but now feels it's over
Mentioned enjoying the "thing I create" and wanting to "still ride up"
Thanked the other speaker, referencing something they liked about "plastic submarine"
Discussed the upcoming Myth and Monsters raids starting in 3 days
Mentioned the Paperclip AI project by Dota and wanting to get them on the show
Talked about the need for audio-to-text conversion software for the Book of Lore
Expressed excitement about the Myth and Monsters raids and the upcoming season
Wildmage
Joked about registering the "paperclip.f" domain name
Discussed the history of the Microsoft Paperclip trademark
Talked about experimenting with AI and working on a new project
Shared some humorous takes on the Runiverse shutting down
Curator
Provided updates on the Myth and Monsters game launch
- Contracts deployed to mainnet, testing underway
- Soft launch approach to gather feedback and tune the experience
- Rewards and pricing details to be announced on Thursday
- Compatibility tested across desktop and mobile
- Focusing on early players and rewarding their feedback
Discussed the challenges of mobile app stores and the decision to focus on browser-based play
Shared insights on the game's design philosophy of having a core "Genesis" community
Wildmage
Provided some humorous and dark commentary on the state of the crypto/NFT space
Key Points and Decisions:
The Myth and Monsters raids are launching in 3 days, with rewards and pricing details to be announced on Thursday
The Myth and Monsters team is taking a soft launch approach to gather feedback and tune the experience
The game will be browser-based rather than a mobile app to avoid the challenges of app stores
The game's design philosophy involves having a core "Genesis" community that helps shape the experience
Next Steps:
The Myth and Monsters team plans to get someone from the Paperclip AI project on the show next week
They are still working on implementing audio-to-text conversion for the Book of Lore
The team is open to exploring partnerships with podcasters and streamers to help promote the Myth and Monsters game
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:03:49,070 ] across the Rooniverse from the Myth and Monsters. portal.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:03:55,060 ] This is Monday Magic News for March 9th, 2026.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:01,560 ] And I don't know where my distinguished co-host is today.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:06,840 ] He's on the way. He just DM'd. He is on the way.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:11,650 ] Wild mage.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:13,340 ] also known as Bithotic . F.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:16,380 ] Don't let him get... Your.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:20,269 ] tag for your project. in his real name because it will go Not in good places.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:28,240 ] But, yeah, he's on the way. Big show for us tonight. We've got to talk about a lot of things. the work crowd. Uh, was going to, was informed that I've had a podcast and I've been doing this for three years. I guess it's an X-Cast.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:43,730 ] And when I told the work office that I had one, they were like... 'We're not on it.' All of them said they're not on X. And I thought that was freaking hilarious.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:56,000 ] That they said that and it was like, 'Well, it's kind of cool that you got a uh weekly thing that you've been doing for three years, but we can't listen to it because we refuse to get on the platform.' I was like, 'That's your loss.'
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:07,680 ] And you know what? I'm kind of glad.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:11,850 ] I don't want them on here anyway.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:14,560 ] They'll think we're crazy. It was like, you're a totally different person.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:18,710 ] But anyway, we've got a great show for tonight. As soon as Wild Mage gets here, we... abbreviated thread this week. I meant to get a little bit more detailed on things, but a lot of stuff happened real fast. With regard to the crypto community, NFTs, and AI in general. And we're going to go through that. Which The first thing that we're going to talk about is... Dota's back. Dota is lead dev on the Paperclip project, which is an AI. Um, agent facilitator on the cloud network which is anthrop anthropic uh, H. R. I mean, excuse me, anthropic.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:01,900 ] AI platform. I have not been on Anthropix website yet and checked out Claude. I've got chat GT3 and the Microsoft one, but this one is a new one for me. So I'm going to have to check it out. Apparently, you could run a company through its agents.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:22,230 ] on whatever the Claude thing is.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:25,320 ] Have complete.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:27,510 ] org charts and everything.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:31,950 ] I'm excited to see it. They had a million views on their posts. And it is kicking off in their Discord. I'm on their Discord for the paperclip. discord if you go through the github you can get all that information on where everything is.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:48,690 ] And I haven't really explored GitHub that much. That's a cool little site. So uh, congrats to Dota and getting Um, traction on that project. I guess AI is paying off on that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:03,660 ] And they're open to having their team on podcasts and X spaces and whatnot, and uh, due to the launching over the weekend, and it's... rapid growth in their continuing programming. We'll see. I'll see if we can get someone from them on next week.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:22,910 ] Also, huge news. The last Myth and Monsters treasury sale concluded on Friday evening. It went within five minutes. uh, so the last opportunity to buy Myth and Monsters tokens has come and gone, which is significant. because the Myth and Monsters raids begin in three days, which I think is Thursday or Friday, uh, one of those days, it's going to pop open. with a continuous cycle.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:59,040 ] And Wild Mage is here.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:04,610 ] I just got off not too long ago.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:06,630 ] I had to recharge my phone.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:09,100 ] That is the thing. Well, we were just talking about Dota and the paperclip project, and we also were just kicking off the news with the Myth and Monsters raids, which is the headline of the week. In our line of business.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:22,599 ] Uh, so that's where we're at, and of course, I introduced you.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:26,900 ] Yeah! I actually, um... Over the course of this past week. I think I now know what my next Web3 moniker is going to be. paperclip . f.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:40,320 ] Ha!
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:42,140 ] Ha ha ha!
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:44,169 ] Let's see if it's open.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:51,830 ] That's a good one. Oh, registered!
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:08:58,040 ] Is it registered by Dota? No.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:09:03,030 ] It would be funny if it was. Then you can DM Dota and say, 'Want to buy a paperclip . f?'
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:09:09,160 ] What about it?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:09:12,820 ] Yeah, what about him?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:09:15,520 ] You know, I was originally hoping that, uh, Dota's Paperclip AI program was going to have something to do with the original Microsoft Paperclip.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:09:26,660 ] Yeah, there's the whole thing in the Discord about that. Oh. They're waiting for the letter from Microsoft.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:09:34,180 ] For a no compete or whatever they call it.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:09:36,820 ] Actually, you know what's crazy? Whenever I was originally looking up, way back in the day, when I first got an NFT. Like fall 2021.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:09:46,110 ] I was doing— I was— I was trying to search and look for, just trademarks. That had, like, lapsed. And apparently... The Microsoft Paperclip trademark had actually lapsed. But then they just happened to renew it earlier in 2021.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:06,580 ] Mmm.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:08,050 ] Which would have made an amazing NFT.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:10,890 ] Yes, it would have. That one popped off.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:14,350 ] Oh, it totally would have popped off, but now, I mean... I guess you could make a bonsai, buddy.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:21,590 ] NFT.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:23,240 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:25,920 ] Remember Banzai, buddy?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:28,050 ] No uh I I I remember the name I can't remember what it is now only only oh yeah I mean yeah it was not the kind of thing if you had any knowledge of the internet you would actually download Oh, is that it?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:43,220 ] Okay. Running boxes. Bonsai buddy. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:10:48,280 ] The purple monkey.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:49,720 ] Yes.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:52,650 ] Oh, goodness. You're throwing back some old stuff. But yeah, so yeah, the paperclip is hot and heavy. And do you use clawed? Wild mage.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:11:05,920 ] I've not, but I've kind of been looking into it here lately. I've kind of been... i've kind of been messing around with ai a little bit kind of kind of starting to I guess dip my toes in it a little bit. I've got a bit of a... something I'm working on. And, uh... ai is definitely helping out with the with the research. So... Yeah, I don't know. We're going to see about that, how quickly I can turn.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:11:34,940 ] some new, some new, new something, something. Out. Before, uh... Surely before the end of the... The end of Q2.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:47,280 ] That's good. um, We're gonna, uh... Yeah, I'm going to try to get Dota or somebody from the paperclip team to come on the show.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:11:56,830 ] Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:57,330 ] Talk about it. It looks like... Magus Wazir is... Starting to tweet about it and such. I wonder if he's got some insight on it. Might need to get him back up here for clip chat. And, um... And that, see what insight he has on it. We still need some sort of software that can convert all of our audio files into text format so we can put into the Book of Lore. That is a running, running... project. It's on our roadmap. I mean, I probably just need to dedicate some man hours to do that.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:12:31,660 ] Yeah, Magus was here with saying that, like, we should be able to, with his little clip jet or whatever it's called at this point. And I've seen there's a few other. AI sort of Auto.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:12:46,340 ] I guess audio to text.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:12:48,840 ] Abs.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:12:50,470 ] like that potentially would work. I don't know, at least for free for a week or so.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:57,880 ] Yeah, I mean... I remember the early days of a year, two years ago, a year and a half ago when I got into the Google one. and AI and then they started charging my debit card for usage and all this stuff and I had to like go dispute it and crap because I didn't intend to do all that. Because of the amount of megabytes and such. I dropped one episode, it was like 70 bucks. And I was like, hold on. And it didn't even turn private right. And I was like, I want a refund. and uh had to go to battle for that one and I was like, that's the last time I touched it. Jason always said, um, Just give it enough time and it'll figure itself out for free. And so we've always kind of had that mantra, like, well, we'll just wait it out until it comes. So prevalent that you can just do that easy— just drop the file in some sort of drop box file thing, and it spits out the text. That's what we want.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:13:53,130 ] Nothing hard about it. No API coding and shit. We just want to drop it in a box and come out with some text.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:02,480 ] Is it that hard, Dev?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:14:04,590 ] Hmm.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:05,920 ] Whoever figured that out.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:14:07,360 ] It seems to take a bit of processing power.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:10,650 ] Yeah, but I mean, who ever can figure that idea out? is going to be rich as hell.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:16,060 ] User-friendly audio-to-text conversion.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:21,360 ] Just drop it in a drop file. I don't know. I mean, you can do it for benefits. You can do it for all this other stuff. So show your work. All right, I'll drop the file. And it doesn't matter what type it is, JPEG, PNG, whatever.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:33,240 ] MP3, MP4. Just... There's got to be some. Way to figure that out.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:40,900 ] And then sell it.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:14:43,600 ] Yeah, I saw there's already some stuff out there offering some free trials for uh I guess taking a sample of your voice.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:14:54,340 ] 1. But I want to say that I want to say there's been stuff like that before but I just happen to notice something randomly in my Twitter ads. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:06,850 ] Well, that's the AI side of things. We're talking about raids, man. We got the big week ahead. I mean, it's March 9th, and we were just talking in December. Like, oh yeah, raids are coming. You know, this and that's going on. And before you know it, it's here. And daggone if they weren't really close to their six-month type of time frame on the roadmap.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:28,100 ] Um. With that and um, It's been a lot of fun each week to... You know, a little teaser here, the season one storyline, the white paper revisions, the tweaks to their... Things, the sales, the mint.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:44,020 ] And it's like, Thank you for watching. Closer to the raids. It's like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:51,040 ] They... It's almost like they could admit if they dropped it right now, all the tokens, they probably would admit out in a second.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:00,300 ] You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:16:02,880 ] Yeah, that could have been a better business plan. We excel in software development. We're not the best in always like, you know, the business and the timing. But yeah, we've hit the dates and the dev team is. The dev team is crushing it. We uh, you know, we deployed to production today. So the contracts actually on mainnet, and we're testing on mainnet. So over the weekend, it was the final testing in uh in our dev environment. And now we are finalizing like on mainnet, and uh, and we're we're a go for Thursday. That's super fun. We got some additional, like, little surprises over the next couple days, but, um... Yeah. We're doing it. It's coming.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:48,290 ] It is so cool. I was going to say, wasn't the original conversation that you were having that the raids would last a week or so? But now that when I was reading the paper, it's only a couple days, which is... I feel like y'all shortened up the cycle.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:17:03,090 ] We did, yeah. And that was through playtesting, too. We did a lot of math. We did a lot of play, hands-on. Team. We're a small team, like five people, but we're, you know, we're playing every day on an accelerated cycle. Right. And, and, and then with the math, and you know, we didn't want to compress it too much. But we, you know, we didn't want to like do it too fast because people need to like notice, because you know, the complaint of Battletown and a lot of other games like this is you always have to pay attention. So you know, the system now is... You know, they'll go every three days. You know, it's like a three-day cycle. If you miss one, you miss one.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:17:45,630 ] The only downside of missing one is when you come back. Actually, you know, even though you missed the raid, your healers are going to be, or your units will be healed up because everything I was telling you today, time heals all wounds, right?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:18:00,429 ] You might not, people— even who are active— might not be able to play, you know, raid after raid after raid. But if you miss a little bit and you come back, your guys will be healed. And it's, you know, it's a good little— we think it's a good pace— but we're open to change. You know, we'll... The system is really well architected so that every week we're going to do, you know, kind of two things or three things really. The whole balance. Aspect, we're going to change every week just to make it more tuned based on people's comments. Bugs, we're going to fix. And we're going to release a feature list of the new features because it's a live game and we already have planned what the next features are going to be.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:47,310 ] That is exciting. Is there any buzz in the interweb about this game? You got any podcasters or anybody wanting to take a first rip at it this week?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:59,240 ] You know, holding biting their tongue until they see it and then with some with some media and Promotion.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:19:08,830 ] Yeah, I see Hunt in the audience. Maybe we should get Hunt engaged.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:19:14,410 ] He's a good streamer. He's a good caster. Um, yeah, we don't, it's funny. Uh, the truth be told, right. When we, when we did our initial launch and push, you never know, like who the target market's going to be. And we had a lot of ape chain relative podcasters. Even before we came on here with Monday Magic, we were on NFT.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:19:44,640 ] We were on... Um... It's the other one.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:19:50,760 ] Other page. Other, other side FM. Yeah, that's the, that's the one, uh, NFT and, um, and a grateful show. But anyway, there was not perfect alignment. And I think the reason is... a lot of that momentum is going toward other side itself. And like, we're kind of like a web-based game that's going to, you know, use. In some part, you know, 8Chain and ApeCoin, but they're really putting their attention to, like, being there in the 3D persistent environment, which is totally cool. So, yeah, we have to find a new, you know, beyond the Monday Magic, we should find a new, like, circuit, right? Uh, maybe, maybe Hunt can help us with that. We can figure something out. But, uh, yeah. Initially, we're going to go out. Pretty.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:20:44,750 ] You know, it's a soft launch. And the other thing I said to you, which I want to reiterate here is.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:20:52,510 ] We definitely appreciate and will reward extra the early players. Because I promise you, the people in the... First raid there's gonna be rough edges and then things are gonna be funky and so you're gonna there's gonna be balance issues. There's gonna be things where you know we want to have extra raids for our faithful because you know we want to reward that kind of beta testing. Um... And, and, and so. And so, yeah, after that, after we iron out some of the kinks, then maybe we'll be louder. So that's kind of the premise, too.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:21:38,390 ] Um. What about with the white paper? I really didn't see any of this with FAQ, like best practice. Do we need to use Internet Explorer or? Google Chrome. I saw that you can't, it's not well, it's not phone based yet. But, um... You got any suggestions on that, on what interface we should use Safari?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:22:00,190 ] Yeah, we have a pretty good compatibility lab, and we've done Mac, PC, Safari, Firefox.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:22:11,139 ] Uh, you know, and we've we've checked it Chrome, of course, we've checked a lot of the different browsers or the or a lot of the different you know wallets we've used MetaMask, we've used Coinbase, Phantom, so we validated those three. And the compatibility on desktop, PC, and Mac is pretty good. Actually, it's playable on mobile. We just don't recommend it because we didn't, you know, it's not optimized. So your experience might not be as pleasant. But we did develop it React Native, and so it's React and cross-compatible through devices. Sweet. You're just going to be prompted to turn your phone into landscape mode.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:01,260 ] Oh, yeah. Well, the Rooniverse was like that.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:23:02,920 ] Yep.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:03,900 ] Eventually, you can play it on the phone with the landscape. or the iPad.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:23:09,160 ] And um, it worked out great— it should play pretty well on the iPad, actually— but yeah, uh, we don't, we don't, you know, recommend we, you know, we're PC first, PC Mac first, desktop first, but but we did, we did engineer it. The team is great. You know, it's it's pure reactive, and you know, will will compensate with devices.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:31,450 ] Do you see a world where this becomes the phone app? And it's kind of like, what is it, Raid Shadow Legends? What's the other one in Wild Mage? That, uh... that all advertises.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:23:46,140 ] Cricket Wireless.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:47,250 ] You know, Cricket Wilds.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:50,240 ] Those games with like the the wizards and stuff, there's that one.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:23:56,650 ] Where I guess you're like a level 5 warrior or something, and then you've got to fight a level 99 Medusa that should beat you up. And then you get thrown into a dungeon you're level one again and I guess you gotta Yeah, that one. And then there's also the one where I guess you're sort of... you're shooting at things down a hallway.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:24:21,120 ] And things are coming at you.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:24:23,360 ] Yes, well, the premise is, do you see a world where this could be a mobile phone-based app and just go crazy with that?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:24:30,740 ] Yes, I think we will not have, like, we'll be a... playable application through, like, browser, right? Because if we actually put our... If you put your application in the App Store, Apple takes 30%. And they really gate a lot of the finances.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:24:55,250 ] And... You know, it's a really, you know, I worked at Zynga, I worked on poker, you know, I mean, like a lot of the big mobile games that we were doing, you know, the... They basically are... It's all about attribution and about user acquisition. So it's not even something that can like develop organically when you have that. There's we're really not in a world anymore where you can put an app and anybody will even see it, right? In the app store. So it's kind of like not worth letting them. And take 30%, it's, you know, it's better to just be compatible, but not actually be an app because, you know, it doesn't, there was a time when maybe it would help your sales. But it really, it really doesn't. You know, and they they take too large a chunk and too restrictive. And yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:57,630 ] So will we get the pricing for the heel?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:26:00,830 ] regenerations and all that before raids launch or we're going to find a price sheet where we get in there no no we'll announce it thursday so basically basically thursday uh we're gonna come out with you know what all the different rewards and prizes are you know that we've uh because we're you know they they go in the contract basically they're not airdrops so they become a part of the contract so the only way to ever get them like you can never transfer them again right so they like they live in the contract and the only way to get any of this stuff is is through rating so i think that that announcement on thursday Of course, Thursday starts with a day cycle of preparation. So you can kind of prepare your raids for a day. And then the raids lock in and last for two days. So during that first day prep period, which is going to be Thursday, we'll announce what the rewards are. I think anyone else what the rewards are, what the heel is, and what the roadmap is for the features.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:27:05,070 ] Like here's— you know, you're just gonna raid vanilla version 1. 0 as as in the white paper, and here's— the new things that are coming up. Then, from then on, like... you know, it's game on, right? Because people will have bugs, they'll have issues, they'll complain, and we'll start prioritizing those with the new features. People might want more features than others. And so we'll basically be in a, um, is that me echoing? Sorry. No.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:27:37,100 ] Oh, you don't hear me echoing? Good, good. It's just my phone. Wonderful. I was hoping that didn't come through.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:27:42,460 ] So, yeah, Thursday is going to have... Basically, you know, what is our upcoming roadmap of features that we'll get to as, you know, amidst the bugs and balance fixes? How much the... the heal cost is what the different rewards are and so Thursday is going to kind of be like get ready right and and prep and uh and then the first raid will start around noon on Friday automatically.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:28:12,240 ] Amazing. Is there any co-incidence that... That y'all starting the raids on Friday the 13th.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:28:20,510 ] No, but every month, the past couple of months, I've had Friday the 13th. It's funny, the reasoning from software dev is you always release your software on a Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. You never, ever do it on a Friday.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:28:38,560 ] And because of the nature of our software, the software actually releases on a Thursday, and then it's kind of like clockwork. It just goes on a Friday. So that was just a coincidence because we wanted to go on a Wednesday or a Thursday.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:28:52,120 ] And, yeah, it just happened to be the day, the second month in a row with Friday the 13th.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:29:00,350 ] That's cool. I didn't know that about the software launches you wanted. The dates, you know, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:29:08,680 ] Yeah, it's an old, it's an old, like, uh... Tradition, right? And it's because, you know, if there's a problem— Which sometimes there is with launches— you know, usually most problems like take a day to fix, and you don't want to be working on the weekend, so you know, you always have Friday there to like you know fix it if you need to. And that's the that's the that's the the way that releases happen.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:29:35,770 ] Usually, excited is there any theatrics involved with it with a video or um or or a cut scene or anything.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:29:48,480 ] The... You know, like Forgotten Runes did that with a couple things, with cut scenes, and when they had that promotion with apes. They, you know, that little video or anything. Y'all have anything like that?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:30:00,070 ] Yep, nope, nope. We didn't do a uh, we didn't do a promo video. We're doing like a really really soft launch, like maybe when there's clones and more people, and we've kind of polished ourselves up a little bit. So this is, you know, I was talking to Casper. It's not a beta. I mean, it's the real thing and you're getting real rewards. But, you know, it's launched soft so that, you know, the great community we have now can help. us tune it and we don't want to be too loud about it until um we know that it's you know the right balance and the right feel um and uh and that's where we think a lot of web 3 games do it do it backwards right because like You know, the whole point of a Web3 entity is to get the hype on the mint and then roll on a new game with you know um you know collections of you know five or ten thousand and you know thousands of holders right and that's just a recipe for disaster because you know even I've said this before on the Titan Tuesdays, every game from monopoly from scopely that has like Bye.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:31:20,070 ] billion impressions a month or something like all of these games literally start off with like 20, 30, 40, 50 people, which is what we have. And, and, you know, monopoly is a great case study. And I knew it because I was at Scopely when it was happening. It was five years. It was five years until it was even in the US in soft launch. Right. And, and you just to make a sticky experience, like to make a real, like game as a service, something that you want to come back to. You've got to really, uh, build it slowly. Because you don't know, right? You do it on paper. It's well-balanced. But, you know, like I said, we've had five people playtesting for weeks and weeks. But then there's going to be 50 people playing, so we're going 10x— so 10 times the amount of people are going to be playing. They're going to find things that we didn't find right. And so, before you go up to like 500, so see, like, so to answer your question, that big, that big sizzle video that we usually call it, uh, it's not going to come to like later in the life cycle.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:32:31,020 ] I got you. I got you. That's interesting, because it's juxtaposed to what the Rooniverse did. That was a huge promotional effort, boom out the gate, push it, push it, push it. And then... No follow-up after that. And it was like, holy crap.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:32:50,200 ] They would I would just think we've been better off to do a soft launch with it, go live and not really talk about it and adjust the rate and the rewards and everything.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:32:59,910 ] And... Then push it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:33:03,850 ] Because there was... All the hype, unless you keep that energy, right? Yeah. Because the universe directs.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:33:11,430 ] Yeah, it would have made so much sense for, because wizards, like, wizards are, like, the best community ever, right? Yeah. Most loyal, forgiving, you know, we're all still around, right? So it would have made sense maybe to release it literally for months where you needed a wizard to play.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:33:34,190 ] Yes, yes, that was the thing. Right?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:33:37,520 ] And the wizards would have felt special. And there wouldn't be, everyone's criticism would be like, it's like family, right? So it just. it would have, it would like, I never understood. That's the decision that I never understood is, you know, you've got, you've got the group and you can, and it's a benefit. It's a. benefit to the holders, but it also benefits the, um, and that's, that's part of the strategy that we're doing, you know, long-term is, you know, Our Genesis players are like the Wizards. They're the ones with the tokens, with the high-end tokens, right? The clone tokens... Are gonna be not as powerful, they're gonna be not as aesthetic, they're gonna be purely, like, functional, where the Genesis make clones, and they're aesthetic, and they can have characterization, and so, like, before we get to the clones, before we get to, you know, you've got to be... you've got to hold the asset to play it, right?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:34:38,949 ] And that's, I think, that's a good combination.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:34:43,570 ] Yeah, it's like, sorry, you can't play this game because you don't own any of the NFTs. And that's what the whole thing, play your token, well, play your NFT. And that concept is really cool.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:34:57,640 ] And you know, yeah, I agree with you. They tried to do something similar with the ponies. In the game, I think it was a little too late. Yep. Then they allowed everybody, like in the first three missions, you were able to get one of those birds. And you were like, what the? Frick.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:35:12,460 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:13,200 ] I just spent a lot on my pony. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, 'You got a pony.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:18,570 ] You should be the only ones able to roll around as fast as hell.' And like, no, they gave everybody the birds. I was like, this is some bullshit. Same thing with the, uh... Same thing with the... The motorcycle, man. In the crate.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:35:33,520 ] Yep.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:34,210 ] Like, oh, that would have been such a cool thing because the crates and the dinosaur.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:40,370 ] Man. Lessons learned. I guess if somebody ever buys that game and redoes it. We're going to relaunch it only playable to wizards and just like kick everybody out, reset everybody's account.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:51,190 ] And do it that way, it might come back. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:55,350 ] I don't know. That's the whole thing, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:36:00,270 ] All that time and money and hundreds of people that they had on that team.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:36:04,280 ] Good God. Yeah, and and multiply that by i mean there's been tons of web 3 games just like that that yeah it's pretty common. I mean it's not it's not unique to wizards right it's it's the same. It's the same history repeating itself. But this premise, the premise that this game takes, which is this kind of... Of you have the genesis you make the clones everything like that the you know investor uh our our main investor uh is from the game industry This is what we had always planned for a good NFT game and a way to... bring, bring people along. It's like the virtuous cycle of, you know, you have a, you have a Genesis that, you know, really is like your Kickstarter squad. It's the people that get the most benefit because they've invested the most time and money and energy. And then the later people will have fun.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:37:05,760 ] But it's really this tight-knit core group that, you know, you collaboratively develop the game with, right? And this is... This is the premise. We think it's the fusion of Web 2. 0 gaming with Web 3. 0 ethos.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:37:23,820 ] It's a good experiment in craft and happy to be doing it with y'all and everybody. It's great.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:37:33,420 ] Well, I was gonna say I got, I got, I got Groth this afternoon to make, uh, some jokes about the Runiverse closing.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:37:42,959 ] Oh, okay. You guys ready for it?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:37:46,850 ] All right, now this is a Grok now, so it might not necessarily be super funny. But it might be insightful.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:37:53,450 ] Number one, farewell for now, Wizards. We'll be back when the market turns green. Translation: See you in 2030 when Eth hits 69k again and running actually has liquidity until then, your Wizard's just chilling in the blockchain graveyard with Pirate Nation and Turf NFTs.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:38:10,020 ] Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:38:13,950 ] Grok has got a funny sense of humor.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:38:16,730 ] Number two. Temporary pause is the new rug pull. At least they preserved the data so your bag could stay worthless forever. Wizard forever offline.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:38:29,000 ] Yeah, that's really true. You know, it's the new, the hiatus is the new rug. And your assets are there forever to be worth nothing.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:38:41,780 ] Oh, speaking of, Forgotten Curators is taking a hiatus.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:38:46,050 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:38:47,720 ] We have plans, though. We're not going to abandon everyone.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:38:51,020 ] Well, maybe we should do, just as a side thing, maybe we should do a Dungeons & Dragons type adventure in the Myth and Monsters. and develop some lore there.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:39:01,600 ] That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:39:04,570 ] Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'm... I'd have to check in with Kingsley again.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:39:10,770 ] to see about doing that. I don't know how busy he is at the moment. Goodbye.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:39:16,030 ] Well, I mean... develop some lore for the myth and monsters.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:39:20,500 ] And do a, uh... that you do one of the campaigns. I mean, I'm telling you that was some of the most fun I had those four sessions that we had on Twitter. Like it, it was a really good experience and y'all wrote that story better than anybody. Like, who who writes sci-fi fiction, you know, Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:39:42,120 ] Me and Ginger definitely spent a fair amount of hours just... showing on the phone and just like hashing out, 'Okay, how can we trick him? How can we fuck with it?' Well, you know, it's like, yeah, to make it interesting, to make it adventurous.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:39:58,510 ] Yeah, I mean, the fact that y'all created the whole lore with the hole and that whole arctic scene, like... Y'all did more in that campaign. then a lot of the book of lore entries and such like that. I mean, it's just, he pulled it all together.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:40:15,250 ] Um, Yeah, yeah, we picking that out, pal.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:40:19,380 ] yeah well but that i mean that's the side you can always do something later with the project like all right If you... Thank you. Move it to another chain that's building something, you know.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:40:32,540 ] Yeah, no, I've got something. up my sleeve so for number three Runiverse in 20... No, no. Bro went from crashing our servers to stress testing hype to servers crashing our hopes and dreams.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:40:52,590 ] Number four.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:40:54,210 ] Runiverse and 2026 tier lists. E tier, low development and almost dead.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:01,530 ] And number five.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:03,760 ] Buy Sonic Ray stacks in 2022 for MMORPG dreams. Cut to 2026. Indefinite pause. Unsustainable.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:14,170 ] 1.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:16,380 ] And then a bonus, not a shutdown, just offline for development.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:24,400 ] Oh my goodness. Right. Rootiverse Surfers Offline today. Progress safe. Thank you.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:32,870 ] Oh, man.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:35,670 ] You notice that Magic Eden is shuttering their originals. And I want to say a couple other things.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:41:43,100 ] What? Magic Eden is? Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:47,430 ] No, I'm getting... Actually, I haven't gone to that website because... Like, I always click one of the Russian ones and they want to steal all your stuff. Okay, this one's good.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:58,910 ] Oh, magic eating that eye.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:42:01,740 ] They're shutting down what?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:42:05,150 ] Um, apparently they're sunsetting the bitcoin and ethereum markets. Oh, actually, here's part of the joke. Magic Eden. We're sunsetting Bitcoin and Ethereum markets to double down on Salon and our casino.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:42:16,940 ] Translation NFTs didn't print enough, but maybe DJs will gamble their last all the way on dicey instead.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:42:24,540 ] Yeah, well, you know, Magic Eden is an interesting case, right? The only good thing about Magic Eden, and this is kind of crazy about it, like when I think about the ordinal side, it was a way to... Develop the ordinal wallet like as soon as the ordinal wallets were developed and you could and functionally use it without having to manually program the addresses and the stats to get to it. Oh. It. Yeah. It achieved its purpose because I always thought that the ordinal trade was so niche.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:43:03,100 ] That, in fact, you would.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:43:05,720 ] You would deal. You would deal face-to-face or through a third-party broker. Like, Magic Eden would be the place where you sent your- Bitcoin. and they sent the token and they transact and they handshake it for you. It turned into another marketplace. And it was just, there we go again. I thought that it was a good. Good concept with it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:43:30,610 ] With facilitating the wallets and being a third-party broker, which I thought ordinals would always be. That type of, and collectible. Um. Goes well that's how it was when it first started right um But now, yeah, I'm not surprised anymore.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:43:48,280 ] All right. That reminds me of Grok's number two joke. Everything's fine, said no original holder ever, as their listings vanish and the wallet goes to export only mode. Classic crypto coping.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:44:03,310 ] That's a good pull from Gronk, because at one point it was... Import only.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:44:11,880 ] number three, magic Eden, closing, evm and bitcoin support, Open seat. Welcome back, Kings. Now we can do less with that airdrop. Ha ha ha ha!
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:44:25,320 ] I may have modified the jokes just a little bit.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:44:27,580 ] Well, there you go. Human touch on AI humor.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:44:30,510 ] Yeah, number four.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:44:32,050 ] It's kind of crazy that AI can do humor. I mean, it's like they kind of get humans a little bit. They're probably laughing at dark souls. Satan where they're from, but you know.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:44:44,370 ] They're still laughing.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:44:45,780 ] Læs merke til Læs merke They're still laughing. But, hey, man. Give credit to OpenSea. I mean, if they can pick up that business, it would be a lot easier for me to manage.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:44:56,180 ] For all my ordinal bullshit. out there.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:44:59,150 ] And we have number four. Magic Union announces shutdown. pays influencers to post about it. Every single one says, 'cutting the losers to focus on the winners.' Guess we know why they had to shut down— too busy buying. This is bullish tweets instead of building a sustainable business.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:45:20,570 ] And then number five.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:45:24,670 ] Magic Eden's big pivot from trading JPEGs to betting on sports, because nothing says we're serious about Web3 innovation like ditching NFTs for roulette. Will be next up: Magic Eden Sportsbook, sponsored by the ghosts of dead Ordinal collections.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:45:41,220 ] Mmm.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:45:43,140 ] Gosh.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:45:45,250 ] Mmm.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:45:46,320 ] I was actually— I was talking to Tater the other day on the phone. And... He was not completely aware, but I, I don't think he was around at the time. He was not around at the time of the... The Shadow Ordinalsman.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:46:03,660 ] Yeah, and the uh, and the the coining of the classic quote— I lost four bands tonight. Oh my gosh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:46:14,110 ] Oh, what a night that was. Yeah, and Christopher was on here, and I remember when he got a free one. And it dipped down to eight thousand dollars, and I was like, 'Crucifor.' Telling you as the old friend, man. You need to dump that thing as fast as you can. He's like, 'No, I'm going to hold on.' And next thing you know, it was $5,000. He's like, 'Oh, my God.' And then he got down to three. And he's like, 'I cut it. I cut it.' I was like, 'I told you, man.'
SPEAKER_6 [ 00:46:42,060 ] Did you ever pick up an ordinal hit?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:46:45,090 ] Yeah, I got plenty of them. I got one of the under 20K forgotten Bitcoin punk. forgotten.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:46:53,680 ] Oh, no, I meant specifically the shadows. Oh, yeah, I got a couple of them.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:46:58,690 ] Yeah, I ended up picking one up myself. It was about 200. It was 200 bucks of Bitcoin.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:47:06,030 ] Yeah, I mean... I bought one way too high at around $800.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:47:14,860 ] I sold it, and so I got some tax loss harvesting from last year that I can't wait to do.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:47:20,890 ] Yeah, I've got it. I've got several.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:47:25,610 ] But the Ordinal Wallet is a lot cleaner because it's just Bitcoin in. Bye. Sell at realize the prop the net loss on it so it's the ordinal or tax law harvesting is the best. It's the best thing. Oh, Christmas coming on.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:47:42,550 ] But you know that Magic Eden airdrop wasn't worth shit.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:47:46,180 ] Oh, I didn't even claim it.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:47:48,379 ] Ugh, like I tried to claim it and then it like it wanted to be it wanted me to Just the same thing metamask has been doing it wanted me to make And I guess a Magic Eden wallet on my phone. mm-hmm and then accept it even though like what I was gonna accept was like Probably $21 worth of. I guess whatever M8 or whatever it was so I I just I just never I should have sold that Pirate Nation airdrop whenever I first got it. You did. You sold most of it, didn't you? No, I staked all of it because I was like, 'Yeah, these guys, yeah.'
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:27,339 ] Take my $150 too. Crispin, welcome to the show. What's going on, sir?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:33,350 ] Yo, what's up? Not much, man. What you been up to?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:48:37,730 ] Uh, just kind of in the NFT space, scattered around Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:45,120 ] Have you checked out the Myths and Monsters?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:48:49,430 ] Uh, no, I haven't.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:51,740 ] Well, they're starting their Raids game this... Friday or Thursday is opening up and it's starting on Friday. And, um... We've been putting a lot of energy and understanding that. So we've been in that space. It's a new thing.
SPEAKER_6 [ 00:49:09,980 ] It's amazing.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:11,580 ] I respect you guys for always doing these shows.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:49:14,980 ] Three years and a couple weeks.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:17,260 ] Yeah, we're excited. We still are. We still got lots to talk about.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:49:21,790 ] Envoy's excited. I'm just still here.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:25,960 ] We're trying to find some positive things to focus our attention on. Um, aside from AI and, you know, sports is just baseball right now. Hockey's picked back up. We're going to start doing a hockey thing. I think we're going to do a hockey pool.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:43,010 ] Um, with something else, I mean, you know, at this point, wagering.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:50,350 ] Miss the monsters tokens? I don't know, man, because... I mean, there's nothing for sale. I mean. There's one for half an E.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:59,270 ] I don't think everybody wants to play the game a little bit.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:03,240 ] And before they're going to sell anything.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:50:09,130 ] MMMMMDDMMMM MMMM Yeah, I'm looking forward to the raids.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:50:14,890 ] I've got a nice little... I don't have the whole set.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:50:20,940 ] But I've got a nice chunk of Raiders.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:50:25,360 ] with individual races.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:28,910 ] Yeah, I still don't know what I have. I haven't even done a list yet of what I picked up. I think I got a couple.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:36,130 ] I don't know. I got enough.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:50:38,930 ] Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:39,670 ] And I bought one on Friday night, thinking it was the damn Cyclops, and it was another Golem. And I was like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:47,740 ] And.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:49,480 ] The curator was like, yeah, dude, Cyclops only has one eye. but I was like Gracias por ver el video. Oh, no.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:50:57,710 ] I was like, whatever. I got these golems, the ugliest ones.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:02,490 ] But, yeah, we're... Supporting the Myths and Monsters, the Dota AI initiative. I really want to get into Claude. If anybody knows anything about that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:13,960 ] Feel free to step up and talk about paperclip. I mean, they really sound. They talk in such code language, it's hard to follow. The last time I heard Dota talk like that was when he was creating the Ordinals, the Shadow Hat.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:51:28,610 ] And uh, is someone going to lose four bands on paperclip?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:33,180 ] I don't, it's open source. I mean, so what they're doing is developing the tools for you to create your own company and agents to build. company infrastructure.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:44,030 ] So, and then what they want to do is license and sell.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:48,520 ] Different types of agents within the core agent. To help you expand on that. And they're getting a marketplace set up and everything. And I'm like, well.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:57,890 ] It reminds me of, what's that software from the 90s? Linux?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:03,300 ] Or a Red Hat.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:52:07,370 ] What does it do specifically?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:09,650 ] It was an operating system, but it was open source. And then they had features and such that you could buy. Um, to help improve it, uh, from the open source version and it also had consulting, basically Gurus. Who can tell you how to use the open source software that's so good? That's why there's...
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:52:29,960 ] It sounds like Lennox.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:52:31,280 ] Well, it's a commercialized version of Linux, and there's the giant building right there in Raleigh. It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:39,620 ] Yeah, it's right there in Raleigh, and that's where the headquarters is. That's where I go, I park in the parking lot every day. And it's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:48,720 ] I still don't know how these companies make money. They consult on something so crazy and complex.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:55,840 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:57,149 ] They get people to pay them to explain it. Right?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:53:03,240 ] I mean, I guess there's got to be some kind of there's gonna be some sort of Yeah, I mean, that's how I can explain it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:13,130 ] Someone's told me, it's like, 'Yeah, we have a consulting firm. We'll consult you on the free stuff.' Because nobody knows how to use it, but it's really good and it gets you these results.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:24,370 ] They just make it so complex.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:53:26,410 ] Well, I mean, the alternative to buying Microsoft software— is it? You know, there's Microsoft, there's Apple, and there's Linux. Linux is just open source, but somebody needs to package it in a way that it's like an actual commercial product. Red Hat was the one that took Linux and baited into like the biggest commercial product. And so, they're probably, you know... You're probably getting better. Stuff for your company's infrastructure if you use Red Hat Linux instead of Windows. But yeah, they're the only game in town. I mean, they get all the money.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:54:09,780 ] Yeah, they are pretty impressive over there downtown. They got the pavilion where we're going to go see Bush. Bush is coming live, sponsored by the Red Hat, in two weeks.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:54:21,760 ] Yeah, I saw the Decemberists over there. I saw Bryan Adams.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:54:29,270 ] Saw a lot lot there at that uh at that downtown pavilion.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:54:32,690 ] Yeah, I didn't know you were a Ryan Adams fan. Brian Adams?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:54:39,360 ] Oh, did you say Brian or Rhyme?
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:54:41,520 ] No, no, no. 80s rocker, summer of 69, baby. I'm an old school rocker, yeah.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:54:49,830 ] So you're not, I guess you haven't listened to much Ryan Adams then?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:54:55,160 ] No, he hasn't. I don't think curator joined us on those shows. We went on the Brian Adams.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:55:01,840 ] Oh, I saw him at the Ryman a couple a couple years ago Yeah. Vamos lá.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:55:09,570 ] Well, I was going to say... Oh, segue into that. But anyway, I got some breaking news from Forgotten Runes. Um, the malevolent is going to burn a wizard after two years of holding all the flame he's got. 12 flames. About time he's finally going to burn a wizard is going to host the event he told me. He's not ready to do it live on the show tonight, but this is something special. He's written literally an amazing lore entry into this, and he's been thinking about this for two years. On how he's going to burn it and what token he's been looking for, he's the most patient NFT wizard project guy in lore I've ever met. That he will sit there and wait and this and that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:04,019 ] And he finally got someone to come off of the token that he wants to burn. And he's going to do it. And this is going to be pretty cool. I think he's going to do it on the Forgotten Runes.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:13,490 ] Discord. If they can find a mod to open that back up and let us shoot videos in there or do that. But that's some breaking news. He pops in every now and then and says, 'Hey, I'm burning.' You know what? This is really cool. And if you don't know about the burning experience in Forgotten Realms, you take a wizard. one of their Genesis tokens, and you can apply a Sacred Flame, which there's only like 400 left.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:39,859 ] and convert it to a soul. And, uh, That'll be pretty cool.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:45,470 ] Folks willing to burn one and if I could get a sacred flame, I'd probably burn One again, too.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:52,020 ] How much is the Nosferatu now there, Wild Mage?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:56:57,270 ] Oh, it's probably worth about a good $2,000.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:57:00,020 ] Yeah, $2,000. $2,000. I wonder if those guys will come off of it.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:57:06,990 ] No, no, they're going to hold it out of spite. They're going to hold it out. I don't know. They are. That's why they, that's why there's not even a more on their score anymore like they're They are that resigned and that irritated and that spiteful about it all that, like I said, you don't even see them. Post much on the uh Discord that I have like yeah Whoa.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:57:35,020 ] So wait up, my level. It did burn.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:57:39,030 ] And he got a Wraith Deacon Eden, which is a three-trait wizard, and it manifested a familiar.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:57:48,920 ] How did that happen?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:57:51,980 ] Wow. Yeah and forgotten ruins burn chat malevolent did but I finally got him a three-trait wizard And it. That is, I've never seen one like that with the specter. It's got a specter down.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:58:04,450 ] It's gotta be a one-on-one.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:58:07,590 ] No, it would definitely have like a set name that isn't. Ray. Hector of the gargantuan darkness or something like that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:58:18,970 ] Well, it's got to be a one-on-one, what I'm saying, of one of the race deacons. Like, there's no way. Traits with that. That is really cool. How did it manifest familiar out of nothing?
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:58:33,180 ] Maybe a familiar jumped in last minute.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:58:36,880 ] Yeah. Maybe the contract's glitched. Which got me to remind myself, Curator said something earlier on the show. Were the Forgotten Runes Runiverse rewards baked into a contract? For that fount of blessings.
SPEAKER_0 [ 00:58:56,470 ] I wait, yeah, I I don't I don't know. I mean everybody does things like a little differently, like that, that's why we i mean we were we're we're we learn from our mistakes right and we're not we're not We're not. You know, These things didn't... didn't all just come into our head, right? We like, you know, oh, someone did something and that was unpleasant, so we won't do that, right? So... One of the main things is when you... Anything you get as a reward is either going to be ApeCoin, it's going to be an NFT that already exists that you can claim, or it's genetic material that you can immediately, like, you know, mint. So, like, everything in the game... um is— is every reward is purely on chain and that was cognizant, but I don't know of any— i don't know what they were planning, right? Because... I mean... You know, it's fine for things to exist in a database, but if you don't have the plan to bring it on chain, then it's just ephemeral.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:00:10,380 ] Yes. Because, didn't you, if you minted that thing and you pulled it from the font of memory, you had to mint it itself.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:00:16,920 ] Ugh, makes me think about the donuts.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:00:20,100 ] Yeah, uh.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:00:22,020 ] Ha ha ha!
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:00:23,880 ] That was a good concept. It had a lot of energy with the donut.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:00:28,320 ] And, uh... And I got all the cards.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:00:31,830 ] And I guess I just have all the cards.
SPEAKER_0 [ 01:00:35,550 ] The donuts were well-designed because it was an ecosystem.
SPEAKER_0 [ 01:00:41,280 ] Point systems that took into account lore and gameplay progression, and like—uh—traits, it like I really when Donuts came out, I thought that Dota and the team really were gonna hit a home run, but then you know, all the focus shifted to just the Runiverse assets, right? And and not the Donuts, and I think the Donuts concept was stronger than anything that came out of the Font of Memory. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:01:15,200 ] Well.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:01:15,810 ] Hmm.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:01:17,920 ] I mean, you could probably write a textbook on that whole thing, how much money and experience and time that took.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:01:26,390 ] With that. But, um, That's all the three things that I had. That was the last breaking news. Malevolent just DM'd in the... In the in the burn chat that uh he will be burning another wizard he's got to find another victim so he is unleashing the flames and it's got me wanting to burn one too. But since I can't buy any Mifflin Monsters off the open market for $150, I might as well buy... aflame. And, um, you know.
SPEAKER_0 [ 01:01:58,710 ] Oh, I do have news about the Myths and Monsters. Yeah, nothing's for sale, except for the two that are like 0. 69 Ether. But I enabled trait-based bidding now. So like if you want a healer or if you want to Medusa or whatever you can now bid based on traits so I I got that enabled in our in our collection if if if You know wild you want a Medusa or if somebody wants to healer. I was fucking a Steezy And he kind of gave us that idea. Anyways, that's uh With nothing for sale, if you want to bid, we've got trade bids now.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:02:42,140 ] Um, Yes, because I need a healer. I don't have any of those. Maybe I have to trade someone an assassin for a healer, if that's even a fair trade. I don't even know. Yeah, at this point.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:02:54,310 ] But, um... Got to say. I'd have to read the white paper again. Um, It's a breakdown.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:02,800 ] Yeah, you got to give it a good couple lookovers.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:03:06,020 ] Yeah, and oh yeah, another breaking news is Givahoot is running another Roots TCG tournament. So if you want to get into that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:03:13,830 ] He's finally got some time. Uh... And you can go there and join another Roons TCG tournament. That's fun. I'm going to do it. Tad Majors in it. Get to reconnect with some guys I haven't talked to in about four or five months.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:03:29,910 ] And, uh, Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:33,990 ] Bill Ding just an hour ago did a quote tweet. Of Dota talking about paperclip versions 0. 3. 0.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:43,650 ] And Bill's quote tweet was, the guy who raised and burned $10 million with nothing to show made an AI agent company management platform. While avoiding doing anything for his investors.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:56,100 ] Mm.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:57,510 ] Yep. Well, the ghost of Bill still haunts us.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:02,020 ] I was waiting for some of the salty wizards to do something like that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:08,200 ] You know, Dota's got to reap what you sow. I mean, the people are going to come at him with that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:14,900 ] And he knows it. Does he care? I don't think he does.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:04:19,500 ] No, he's working at other things.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:22,040 ] Yeah, he's working at other things.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:25,860 ] You know, give it to the guy. He's got some. He's got some. Good ideas. I mean, Forgotten Rooms was one of them. Maybe The Bird. Sister was one of them.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:36,100 ] Who knows?
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:38,880 ] We can't win them all.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:04:42,950 ] Huh? Yeah, definitely not. Thank you. Well, thank you for the jokes tonight, Wild Mage. That was a great one. All right, tomorrow at 2 p. m., we have Titan Tuesday is going to kick off in the Discord of Myths and Monsters. If you want to learn a little bit more about Myths and Monsters or also just hear what they've got to release tomorrow.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:05,010 ] in advance of the Thursday's game, then tune in on the Myth and Monsters Discord at 2 p.m. Our curator will be there to host and answer questions leading it up. If you want to check out the game, Myths and Monsters M. Y. T. H. S.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:24,430 ] A-N-D Monsters dot X-Y-Z. to see what they got cooking over there. You didn't spell monsters. Yeah, it's going to be fun.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:35,620 ] Oh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:37,140 ] March and April is going to be a lot of fun. Genesis raids. some banter. And also, the book poll is coming out. As soon as somebody publishes it in the Mists and Monsters Discord, we move the book club from Forgotten Runes. Two missing monsters.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:51,879 ] uh so check us out— we're gonna have the poll up here soon.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:05:55,700 ] And then we're going to run that vote and get us a book so we can buy it and read it over the next month. We're going to four weeks. And by the time we conclude, the book club, hopefully, will be nearing our three-year anniversary and we'll have somebody on the show from Forgotten Runes or whatever. To celebrate with us for three years, highlighting the fall of the Hall of Cats. And we'll probably get Feckless to come back, too, to check us on it since he won his contract from the Dow on development of this game. We're going to see where he's at with that and what he's got planned. I'm sure he's going to be busy all summer getting that thing set up. Brett Friend, the video game is coming out. And I also want to check in with Brennan to see how it's going with the board game. I know that that's in development as well.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:06:46,410 ] So a lot of things still cooking. And thanks to the DAO for facilitating a lot of that. They're running out of cash. They've probably got $70,000 left after allocations. It's probably going to get drained as soon as the bills do for owning the Dow. So unless something happens, that might be going away. But anyway.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:08,090 ] Fun times.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:10,740 ] MMMMMMMMMMM Anything else, Wild Mage, before we sign off for the night?
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:07:18,300 ] I think things are going to continue to develop with this war and the crypto prices are going to continue to drop down.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:07:26,150 ] So I have, uh... Stabled. most of my Ethereum.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:31,680 ] I disagree. I think we're going to get a resolution to the Iranian war. Oil prices will drop. We're going to get some resolution and stability in the Middle East. And then I'm going to focus on Ukraine getting that war ended. And then it's going to be all eyes on China. So I think it's going to turn to a good way. You can't. The rich won't suffer for long. The rich will not suffer for long.
SPEAKER_3 [ 01:07:55,710 ] So um, unless they planned it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:08:00,440 ] Yeah, well... telling it to the people, the people aren't going to stand it for you. Um, on this this route go around I'm going to leave you with a song from... You're Cypress Hill.
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Buster Scribes Episode 248 Monday Magic News 03/2/2025
BOOK CLUB Neuromancer:
Episode 148. Monday Magic News! Book club. Neuromancer!.m4a
Here is a speaker-organized summary of the key points, decisions, and next steps from the discussion:
Summary of Discussion on "Neuromancer" by William Gibson
Speaker 1
Provided an overview of the book "Neuromancer" by William Gibson, which the group had read for their book club
Highlighted key elements of the story, including the main character Case, his team (Molly and Armitage), and the AI entities Neuromancer and Wintermute
Discussed the relationships and alliances between the characters, and how they shifted throughout the story
Noted the book's themes around AI, cyberpunk, and the future of technology and society
Speaker 2
Shared their thoughts on the book, noting they had not fully finished reading it
Discussed parallels between the book's depiction of a post-AI economy and the movie "Elysium"
Commented on the book's prescient nature in foreseeing developments in AI and technology
Speaker 3
Provided a detailed analysis of the book's characters, including Riviera and his unique abilities
Explored the significance of the book's settings, such as Freeside and the "spindle" structure
Discussed the book's ending and the fate of the main characters
Speaker 4
Shared their perspective on the book's style and writing, noting both its strengths and weaknesses
Commented on the book's influence on later science fiction works, such as "Westworld" and "Dollhouse"
Discussed the book's lasting impact and how it has become a seminal work in the cyberpunk genre
Next Steps
The group plans to vote on the next book to read for their book club, with suggestions including "Hyperion" by Dan Simmons and other classic science fiction works
They will also continue to discuss developments in the Myths and Monsters game project and other Web3 topics
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:04:54,260 ] Live from the Obsidian Tower, this is Monday Magic News. February. It's March.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:01,650 ] March 2nd, 2026, episode 148.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:06,660 ] Um, let's see. We are just shy over a month and six weeks or so before we start talking about the third year anniversary. We're the distinguished co-hosts.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:05:19,910 ] I'm not going to reveal what my new Web3 moniker is, but I just figured out what it is this weekend.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:27,170 ] Um, fantastic.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:05:30,040 ] Does it have to do something with Neuromancer?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:05:36,419 ] Um, maybe on a uh.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:05:40,180 ] On a sub theme I'm gonna... Once I have the, uh, Twitter and the, uh, at handle.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:05:49,880 ] All secured. I'll, uh... Let you know, but I'm gonna... Yeah. It's about that time to... Re, uh... retool the old Web3 identity.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:03,430 ] That sounds good. No time better than the present. Oh. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:08,340 ] Yeah, I was going to say we've got a couple weeks. Until the three-year anniversary.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:15,210 ] And, um, I'm pulling up the thread right now. Thank you for doing it this week, Wild Mage. By Sonic . eth with the thread this week. I just couldn't get it together.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:25,340 ] This week, with lots going on. But, uh... Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:32,200 ] Um.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:06:35,060 ] I was going to say. I love what you just thought. A lot of things going on and not in crypto. Yeah, that's right. A lot of things going on, but not in crypto. Um... Yeah, I was going to say that, you know, we got our three-year anniversary coming up. Let's see, 152, 152. So that'll be episode 156, right?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:06:57,630 ] Um, I ain't been keeping up with it, dude.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:02,260 ] It'll be there, yeah. It was the end of April of the Holocaust, so we're looking at oh boy, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:08,920 ] First weekend of May for the three-year anniversary. And I was going to say, you know, Elf J. Trull went on a podcast today. And so he's still kicking around. So I'm going to have to reel in one of the founders to see what's going on.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:22,260 ] Um.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:07:24,580 ] So I'll check.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:25,750 ] Yeah, I mean, if he's still doing interviews.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:29,630 ] We're going to get them on. Aww.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:33,930 ] And ask the tough questions.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:37,510 ] The tough question.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:39,890 ] The... They, um...
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:07:42,510 ] Bungle.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:43,370 ] Forgotten runes.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:45,580 ] Same stuff, different day. Feckless has got his game approved from the Forgotten Runes Wizards DAO. So he'll be working on that all summer.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:07:56,010 ] Getting his bread friend game up. Um, We also have another game.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:02,790 ] Being launched right now. What is it called? Do you know?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:08:07,560 ] Another game? You mean... Yeah. Unchained?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:11,290 ] He used to be the Unchained. Oh.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:08:14,690 ] Uh. That's, that's, that's their, their family. Doing that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:19,820 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:21,550 ] Yeah, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:24,410 ] Um, you-Wager E.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:28,510 ] and somehow battle it. It's called Battle Royale.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:32,390 ] I don't know.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:08:35,409 ] Anything about it. I think it's... deviated from its original concept.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:08:41,470 ] It's pretty close. I mean, it's a competitive extractor. It's like a roguelike. You go in, turn base. Basically, you wager. And then go in. And whoever gets out the most loot and comes alive gets like stuff I actually I mean they changed chains like the whole they were they were developing on treasure yeah and their entire chain went um out of business so they had to redo the whole thing on abstract so I mean props props to Sasha sticking with it and uh getting that out but uh yeah it's kind of the original premise it's just on a whole different platform Okay.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:09:22,540 ] It would be really cool if you could just throw your Forgotten Runes NFTs in it and wager that shit. uh for aggregate value just say hey dump it in here burn it I don't know whatever Your treats or whatever.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:09:35,810 ] Ha ha ha. For tokens. Um. The... I remember having Sasha on the show probably a year and a half ago. Do you remember, Wild Mage? Oh, well, I remember. Yeah. And he was bouncing around all Europe and something. And, yeah, he was a really good guest, I thought.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:09:54,130 ] Yeah, he wasn't too bad.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:09:57,470 ] HMMM!
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:09:59,510 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:01,640 ] So Sasha's back, got his game up. So we'll have to check it out. That's the new news for Forgotten Runes. How do you like it? The devs are getting out. Gained by the community derivatives. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. Um.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:21,870 ] You really can't make it up. Um, so also, yo.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:26,470 ] Elf was on a podcast today. I got to find the guy's name. I just saw a snippet of it. It came across my timeline.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:32,610 ] And MDP Steve's talking. You got some OGs in there talking lore. They got the secret. library where they're going to start doing lower exercises.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:43,200 ] To be honest, I'm just exhausted from writing lore for something that... Who knows what the hell they're going to do with it?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:10:52,890 ] Watch them come back to life. Like, The Walking Dead and, like, reward all the people that stuck around for these bare eight weeks writing lore.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:05,480 ] That would be our luck.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:11:07,520 ] Um, Well, I would... I haven't sold a time in terms of tax loss harvesting yet so I'm still here.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:19,470 ] Speaking of which, I've got to do some of that too. Tax day is coming up in about six weeks.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:11:25,050 ] I don't know.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:27,150 ] So I've got to do my taxes. And I think I got some big losses last year. So I'll go ahead and throw that in there on.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:35,330 ] Oh. One of my wallets. Um, But yeah, so that's the news roundup.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:42,570 ] This week. Myths and Monsters sold out. Of their Dragon Warriors. Five minutes.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:11:56,730 ] I lost you, Wild Mage.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:11:58,550 ] Oh yeah, somebody tried to call in.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:01,790 ] Yeah, they sold out the Dragon Warriors. They released it a day earlier. And, of course, everybody was out doing things.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:09,540 ] They sold out.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:11,260 ] I think. Thank you. Who uh steezy got a dragon and uh of course um Krim got two dragons, so... Awesome scoop there. Thank you.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:24,690 ] I got the manticores. I guess I kicked it off. I got the FOMO started.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:12:31,730 ] You already, um... I have some ideas on the meta and how you're going to play the game.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:37,130 ] I do, and I need more tokens, essentially. I think that being the overlord is going to be a distinct advantage. So you can sub in and out, and you have enough stockpile. I think the cooldowns are really going to annoy people. And so I need some healers on the back end to help that rotation.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:12:56,069 ] Um, because what you don't want to do is be in a place where you can't play the game, right? Where you just, you're just limping along and you're like, 'Damn, if I had, if I thought through this a little bit, I can just stay active.' Regardless if your squad out there is, is producing, a high chance of return or not, at least you're out there competing against the the bank itself. And your assassins, well, I love the fact that I got three of them. I can just roll them as much as I can as long as they don't get damaged. Until their buff gets reduced with... The clones.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:13:34,010 ] So I'm hoping the aggregate there would be get enough rewards out of it where the inherent value of the assassins as there's more of them. Arm. Just gets balanced but that's part of the alpha that they're going to do, you know?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:13:49,500 ] Yeah, you gotta, I guess you gotta lean into your strengths at the moment as we begin these raids.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:13:55,410 ] Yeah. So, you know, they seem to be playtesting it now. They're getting close, close, close.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:03,290 ] I don't know if the accelerated sales moved up their timeline or... They're just going to hold the bag all until Saturday and then drop the other two just to get the timeline back on track. I guess we'll find out tomorrow at Titan Tuesday.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:14:18,270 ] Yep. Tomorrow, big day.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:20,380 ] He's not giving any more alpha or pre-leads because he'll know that we'll buy whatever.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:14:26,680 ] No.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:14:28,870 ] Yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow, everybody show up. Everyone should show up tomorrow.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:14:33,390 ] Cool.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:14:34,730 ] I shouldn't be able to. That last week was the first time I missed.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:40,670 ] Yeah, I moved the interview for somebody I'm trying to hire just so I could attend Titan Tuesday at 2 o'clock. I'm moving at like 4 o'clock.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:14:50,960 ] That's the right priority. Good priorities.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:14:53,180 ] I was like, I'm going to have to move that interview. Oh. I know you're excited to join us, but I got a thing. I got a thing.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:01,590 ] Important meeting.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:15:03,080 ] Mmm.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:15:05,790 ] Also, what did we miss last Titan Tuesday that Casper would only hint at us?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:15,030 ] Oh, it was the warrior draw. I mean, not the word, the myth drops that they were going to sell.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:15:20,580 ] Mmm.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:22,470 ] and they he said it in the show itself, um, in Titan Tuesday, creator did, and then he said, then they mentioned what what they were going to be it was going to be a secret, but the Manticores came about.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:39,650 ] Oh, yeah, we saw the secret.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:42,750 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:44,270 ] So we'll see what they drop tomorrow.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:15:47,190 ] But this week is the book club. So I spent the first 10 minutes here talking about the news and things going on. And this week, this month, over the last four weeks. We all had the opportunity through the vote to pick this book, Neuromancer by William Gibson. And, um, It was a fun read, I will say that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:12,270 ] I had a good time reading it. It was easy to read. A lot of clichés in it. I don't know if he came up with them or if it's existed in literature. So I kind of thought that was pretty funny. Um, And, uh... There were moments of brilliance in this book, I will say that. Some very brilliant writing, and then at some parts, it just got pedantic.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:38,790 ] In his writing, like he was like trying to get to the end or trying to finish something, didn't have the complete thought, but And it was a lot of foreshadowing. You could see, oh, this is going to come around.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:52,840 ] Some of it you didn't expect.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:16:55,350 ] But it was a very, very good book. I thought it was... So good. What do you think, Wild Mage?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:00,580 ] You ready for my twist?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:02,590 ] Yes. I didn't finish it.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:06,960 ] How far did you get?
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:09,220 ] Uh... Not.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:11,630 ] Not very, very, very far.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:14,060 ] Enough to get a feel. But I need to finish it. I mean, I was enjoying what I was reading. It just... Time and things caught up with me. And um, Yeah, I thought it would be fun for me to... muse about the book without actually having reading it read it in full.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:17:33,820 ] Well, we can discuss some of the things. First off, is the opening. So you got... uh, washed-up tech jockey who was involved in some sort of war plot. And through that, obtained nerve damage.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:53,410 ] Um, Intentional nerve damage.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:17:56,900 ] Intentional nerve damage.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:17:58,980 ] Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:00,810 ] And then, uh... abided by in the city of Shibuya, which is in Japan or sounds like, or China. Um, or in that one of those mega cities.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:18:10,570 ] Oh, it's in Japan.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:12,013 ] And uh, lived in the underworld there, just like the you know, the black market. And it was kind of old.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:22,510 ] Got the vibe of... Those, uh, not detectives, but, um... The bounty hunters and, yeah, private detective, private eye kind of thing. But he was out for his own. Making deals. Selling things. Making a little bit of money, having fun.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:18:41,310 ] And just wasting away until It all went down.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:18:48,510 ] Yeah, I ain't got to that part.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:18:51,730 ] He definitely seemed to have to live on the wrong side of the law.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:18:57,290 ] After, uh... Well, being on the wrong side of the law to begin with.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:19:04,510 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:19:05,840 ] Um, he just didn't give a fuck, I thought. Case is the main character. He just kind of, like, abided, man, like the dude, kind of. Like, okay, man, well, I guess I'll do this. And really didn't have anger.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:19:21,720 ] Towards anything until the AI basically told him, 'You got to have, you got to hate something.' And then he conjured up something at the end. I still, I read through the last chapter. I just still don't understand what that whole series was about.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:19:36,370 ] Trying to hack into the AI.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:19:41,430 ] But before we get to that. The book tells the story of Case and his team, Molly and Armitage. And, uh... And this winter mute. That's supposedly leading it, which ended up being the AI trying to... Till.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:01,340 ] Get the team to join it with the other AIs. Which, you know, kind of draws parallels to today's society, right?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:09,380 ] Um... The AI for Google, you got Microsoft's AI, you got all these other corporations.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:16,510 ] Having their own chat GTP.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:19,250 ] With their own AI systems and. I mean, talk about foreshadowing. In 1984, Like, It's playing out in real time that it was individual corporations developing AI and the government itself.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:37,050 ] Um, all with all competing AIs and they got too powerful. And they locked him away.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:20:45,120 ] You know...
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:46,330 ] Then the AI's got smart enough to figure out that, by joining all the other AIS together with their all their knowledge, they'd become some super AI like Skynet.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:20:56,740 ] Or if that's the goal. We never really found out what the AI's goal was, besides just getting one other AI.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:21:04,270 ] Well, that kind of, I mean, that kind of was part of it.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:21:09,300 ] You know, the bicameral mind, you know, it's all— it's all. Like, you know, the two halves of the bicameral mind and like joining them together was part of Neuromancer Winter Mute. Uh, merger.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:21:23,640 ] Yeah, that's that part, but there's other ones there. Personality and data.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:21:29,940 ] Um... Emotion.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:21:33,180 ] Was Neuromancer Emotion.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:21:36,800 ] Yeah, Neuromancer was kind of like emotion, personality, and Winter Mute was like logic. Like they were the kind of like... two hemispheres of the of the brain coming together, and they used Case was like the medulla oblongata, the thing that joined them together. So they just used him to create their own brain, basically.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:22:04,190 ] And that's where we get Book Two, right?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:22:07,280 ] Book Two, I've actually never read. You know, the synopsis is... They are together and they are like, you know, they create these deities. They basically create these deities to communicate with humans, like that. They are not really them, but they're like sub-deities. You know, there's this you know hilarity ensues. So I didn't really read it. I mean, it doesn't come that well. Some people say you must read it, and I started to read it, but um, I mean, the only real depth I got out of that universe was the stories in Count Zero. So I would recommend reading the stories in Count Zero and Neuromancer, and that's that. That's a pretty good take.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:22:54,890 ] You know, something that stuck out to me.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:22:57,790 ] Um... And what I did read, was, uh, Just how much the, uh, The coming... Like, post-AI economy is going to look like.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:16,500 ] What the AI will look like.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:23:17,920 ] To know what the post-AI economy is going to look like.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:23:23,170 ] Like a whole lot of a whole lot of it reminds me, if you guys ever seen the movie Elysium.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:23:32,030 ] Yes, I do remember that. I can't remember what it was about. I remember seeing it.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:23:36,260 ] Well, you know, it definitely... created an equality of the 99 were all poor together while the 1% live on the moon and enjoy themselves.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:23:51,600 ] and that that's the real equality to come.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:23:55,570 ] And um... It's going to result in a lot of gray and black markets.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:02,570 ] for folks just to get by.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:04,980 ] Because UBI is obviously going to be great at first, and then it won't.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:24:12,490 ] Well, that's the hope.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:13,860 ] um that it's going to be great and stays at first at first that's how you know that's how they get folks into it Great, uh... holding returns and that kind of thing at first I'm kind of seeing potentially happening. Definitely to encourage people to get on board.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:36,980 ] Well, uh... They can choose to not.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:41,490 ] And possibly not do so well economically.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:47,440 ] Yeah, it's it's it's it's never been.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:24:53,250 ] It's never been more time than ever to either learn a lot of AI or learn a specific physical skill set that involves fixing things or fixing human beings so that you have something to barter for when all this collapses potentially.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:16,020 ] Um, that's right.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:18,040 ] Well, you only read the first part. I got some questions for the community on this.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:25,210 ] Through the relationships.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:27,820 ] Of Kath Armitage. Molly. Gosh, I can't think of the other character's name. Finn.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:25:35,200 ] Riviera.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:36,680 ] Riviera, you know, how did the relationship shift over the story? And did any of the alliances surprise you?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:25:45,510 ] Introduction of new characters surprised you.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:25:52,630 ] I don't know. I liked.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:25:56,170 ] Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Womage.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:25:58,150 ] Oh, no, I said I was going to let y'all talk for a bit on that.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:26:02,640 ] Yeah, I um I like Malcolm and Malcolm was the character that reminded me of Wild Mage, um but uh. But I don't think Wild Mage got that far. So I can't talk about that.
SPEAKER_2 [ 00:26:15,240 ] You won't get it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:26:18,320 ] Yeah, he doesn't get it. It was a Rastafarian enclave, the laborers that had their own space station, and they were really down to earth and had the Rastafarian belief that carried into space.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:26:30,310 ] And Malcolm was the tug captain.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:26:35,190 ] Um, he reminded me of a Rastafarian mouse. Well, that was the operator in The Matrix, but... but he was just very in character of what a Rastafarian warrior would be.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:26:50,650 ] Yeah. It's just very free-carrying. Will step up to the plate when he absolutely needed and very logical.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:27:02,530 ] Just carefree.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:27:05,600 ] Yeah, that was a surprise.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:27:09,820 ] Take care.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:27:11,129 ] Oh, hey, hey. Yeah, that's funny you say down to Earth, because they stay in orbit, I think, right?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:27:17,710 ] and they're always high. They're basically, they're, they're very not, they're very not down to earth. They're the opposite, they're in an orbiting, like, orbiting satellite and stoned all the time. Yeah, and it's like they don't need to. I mean, I forget.
SPEAKER_3 [ 00:27:31,030 ] They have their own resources and stuff there.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:27:32,850 ] I forget the term used for it, but but they are very, they are very connected right there. Uh, I mean, they, they're, they, they are like, uh, but but it's all, you know, it's really all winter mute, like telling them, telling them what to. He was the he's their prophet.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:27:53,740 ] Um.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:27:54,590 ] Yeah, and the other thing too, I mean, you could probably clarify this. Uh, better, but I I think that uh When...
Wild Mage [ 00:28:01,960 ] I think it was Henboyd who was saying it was...
Casper Shadows [ 00:28:04,670 ] Derivative or kind of cliche, but the thing is... I think, at the time, this was the first of its kind. Right, so I mean, like cyberpunk just didn't exist before this. Yeah, it started it. It's kind of like most clichés— like there was like the first one and then it became cliche. I think as others just kind of copied it and stuff. I actually read like a derivative.
Casper Shadows [ 00:28:24,630 ] cyberpunk short story, and I was like, I didn't really like it. I mean, that the the derivative stuff. At least I haven't read it. Too extensively, but the one I read, kind of sucked, you know. So I was like, I didn't. Uh, but I think the original that Neuralmancer is awesome, you know, like I think it's just kind of like most things where it became overdone and stuff, and people picked up on, like... the things that were different and they kind of like overplayed it, you know?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:28:49,770 ] Yeah, it's totally... Cyberpunk is totally cooked. It's totally overdone. But the lineage, of course, there were a lot of classic sci-fi... stuff from the 60s and 70s that they would call proto-cyberpunk. Like, they had hints of cyberpunk, right? But the real first thing was Blade Runner, the movie.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:29:15,589 ] And the Blade Runner, the movie... Um... And, you know, came out, I think, a year or two. I got to look it up before.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:29:27,310 ] Before, um... Before Neuromancer. And that was the first time that, you know, you see this world that is, you know, dystopian. It's very Asian. You know, it's very Asian-dominated. It's very dystopian. It's got this black market feel to it. You know, it's got cops running around. It's a little hard-boiled, like you said, Hen Boyd. You know, a little, a little, a little like noir, right? So there's this like noir, uh, rainy, dingy. So, like Blade Runner, Ridley Scott, like. Uh, you know, the book is very good, but it's not that image. He created that imagery and then Gibson in novel form. Yeah. Every cyberpunk cliche and terminology, and, you know, the meat and wet works, and, you know, console jockey, and, like, literally cyberspace, like, it didn't exist. Like, the consensual, you know, 3D world.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:30:29,010 ] Free internet. I was thinking that. He made it.
Casper Shadows [ 00:30:32,790 ] It's almost like I kind of thought that. I was like, I wish I could have. Like, read it back.
Casper Shadows [ 00:30:38,310 ] Probably like before a pre-internet and stuff like that back when, like, none of this stuff was real— like AI and things like that. Because now it's like, kind of easy. Like, we're like, you guys are talking about kind of just like to think, like, 'Oh yeah, they're just talking about AI. It's like Google and whatever, like you guys are saying. But I was like, at the time, I had to be like, just a crazy thing. You know, and like, it had to be. I mean, it's crazy. How?
Casper Shadows [ 00:31:02,320 ] How accurate it is, but it's just like...
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:31:04,140 ] Yeah, he's awesome.
Casper Shadows [ 00:31:05,260 ] I bet it was like just a wild idea, you know, like the whole idea of cyberspace. I mean, like, the idea of, like, an internet at the time and stuff. You know, would have been crazy. So it's like, don't know. Anyway, it's just it's um it's one of those things where I think part of it—maybe—could be, um, I mean, I don't know. I don't like reading that genre, but like, but I think part of the, um, the cliche stuff, like, might have been like the derivatives from this, or something. I would guess.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:31:33,010 ] Oh yeah, they took it, but no. It's wild. Like, I read it pre-internet, and like, the first time it was the third time I read it, and uh, like, at the time, you're like a little kid, and you're on BBSs, you're being, you're like on bulletin boards, like with floppy disks, like, you know, via your phone, right? Like, and you're connecting via your phone. Into like other people playing muds and stuff on bulletin boards, and you're like, 'Oh my god, it's gonna it's gonna become this, this you know, the cyberspace, right and uh, cool. Yeah, so that was it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:32:08,180 ] The um, what I need some help with some of the characters now, riv what was riviera And. Yeah, what was the... I know he had a very unique personality.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:32:21,770 ] But I don't understand the need for the drugs and such.
Casper Shadows [ 00:32:24,450 ] I didn't get that content. No, he was just a junkie in that sense, but I think he did have modifications like Molly.
Casper Shadows [ 00:32:31,950 ] Right. Where he could like—create— hallucinations or something, you know, like yeah, subliminals.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:32:38,390 ] Yeah, so he was a total sociopath, right? And I think in one of Winter Mute's... You know, he played a tape for case. I think that showed. I mean, like, some. He, you get to see Riviera as a kid growing up in like the slums, like, as a cannibal, like, literally, like, he, he grew up in not just poverty, but like, total dystopian gutter, like, harsh. Right? And so, he became a very Cultured sociopath with, with implants. They all have implants of different ways. Case has an implant to jack in, right? Molly has implants for combat. He is modified with an implant to to project illusions, subliminal illusions through light and sound and smell. They don't they don't say exactly how it's done, but it's like light, sound, smell—senses. He basically is, you know, yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:33:43,190 ] That's how he, like, when they first catch him, you know, there's, like, kind of a, like, it appears, like, that a monster kind of breaks out of him and runs away and all that. It's, like, all of that's his illusion or his show that he puts on and stuff.
Casper Shadows [ 00:33:56,980 ] Um, at the restaurant or Yeah.
Wild Mage [ 00:34:00,180 ] Yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:34:01,600 ] But, yeah, so that's, like, his skill is illusion. Or, like, when he is shooting up, like, that's where he kind of, he makes it look like it's a snake and a scorpion.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:34:10,520 ] Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:34:14,310 ] Yeah, okay, because I've been, but then why was these people integral to the AI? I don't understand, because he got to Jane?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:34:21,370 ] No, yeah, he was the one who would get to Jane. He was the one who, like, seduced her. He was like the seductress, right? He's the one who could get in and get the password. Because she's kind of a weirdo. Yeah, she's a weirdo girl. And like, so he's like a psychopathic artist. And she knew that, like, like Wintermute knew that that was her. Like a guy she would dig, basically, and take home to her, to her, like, aristocratic, you know, basically.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:34:55,850 ] Um, Illuminati, like, the, take, take into the Illuminati place. Right. And so, yeah, that, that's, that's why, that's why he was important. And obviously, so the three of them were like very important and Armitage was just. Uh, a you know the kind of facilitate it with Flynn and like get people together and stuff and then you know obviously, You know, spoiler, he kind of falls apart. So, yeah. Yeah, that scene was great. That scene was great, where yeah, where he's he's like, that's one of my favorite scenes, where like, he's just mentally breaking down, and Case is not really trying to save him. Case just wants the path. Case wants the information to save himself. Like, Case is still, like, totally selfish and just, like, looking out for himself, right? Yeah. But he's like, no, dude, everything's fine.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:48,740 ] Yeah. Information. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:35:53,410 ] Well, what was the word that they were looking for to open something? I don't get that part. They never said. They were okay. Okay.
Casper Shadows [ 00:36:03,180 ] Yeah, it was like, I mean, they kind of, it was. Where was it? It was like a part where the... find it.
Casper Shadows [ 00:36:10,690 ] But yeah, they didn't say specifically. I mean, because Neuromancer was like the Turing code, right? Yes. Or I got D for it. Yeah. But, yeah, it's like... Where is it?
Casper Shadows [ 00:36:23,689 ] Anyway, I mean, I'll look for it again. I mean, you guys can keep talking and stuff.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:36:28,010 ] Yeah, I can't remember what it was. I thought it was It.
Casper Shadows [ 00:36:30,840 ] Oh, well, in my... My, uh... book here is 262, the page is 262, but it's like kind of set off. And it's like, it says now in his... What is it?
Casper Shadows [ 00:36:43,770 ] Yeah, it was three Jane. She's answering in song. Uh, you know it's high and pure a true name and so that's where she kind of she opened it. Oh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:36:54,990 ] Okay.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:36:56,760 ] So we don't know the code. And what she'd opened was the portal so that both AIs could interface.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:37:04,200 ] Yes.
Casper Shadows [ 00:37:05,760 ] It was like that— compute the head. Yeah. It was like the code or password. To access that. Head computer, right?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:37:13,350 ] Yep.
Casper Shadows [ 00:37:14,190 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:37:15,650 ] Okay.
Casper Shadows [ 00:37:16,130 ] And I think that, I mean, curator, did you take it that way that the, uh, like the hate that He was like, he had to feel the hate before.
Casper Shadows [ 00:37:24,940 ] Before it ended or whatever. But I think that the hate that got him through or that was able to like punch through was like. That he hated himself, right?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:37:32,160 ] Yeah, yeah. He didn't want to die. Like, the one... The interesting thing about him when he was in the sprawl, right, was he was... suicidal. He just he hated he was just gonna die like he was just slowly dying and they were you know the computers were calculating like you know like that you know he was going to make a mistake and like, he was just gonna get, cause he was nothing. He had no power. He was nothing. Right. He had no, he was a fence. He was a trafficker. Like with, he was pushing like the, Boundaries, right? Kind of just, like, trying to get himself killed. Yeah, and he was trying to get himself killed. And so he was, like, very angry, like, at himself. And, like, he wanted to live. And then, at the end, he wanted to, like, save Molly. And so he, like, he kind of, like, became... he kind of like saved himself by like becoming a human being and you know he he saved the girl in a way that you know it's it's kind of saving the princess right but it was in a very unique way like because he really was I don't know, just becoming a decent
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:38:32,630 ] human being. He was like becoming a decent human being because he was pretty shitty through the whole thing. I mean, he got a new liver and then he tried to find, or spleen, and he tried to find synthetic drugs. And so even when he was at Villa Straylight, he was just like, he was just trying to get high. He still was garbage, right? He still hated himself. So... Yeah.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:38:54,700 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:38:55,460 ] That bit makes sense. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:38:58,630 ] No, that makes sense. I was trying to put it all together. Of course, it was late last night. I was trying to read all the, like, very, like, every sentence was very impactful. With that. And that's kind of how the book went for me. Yeah, there's some cool stories, some this and that. And then there were moments in it where it got really compressed. And it kind of seemed. Like... It was intended that way, and maybe I'm getting a little out there. Like RAM or memory or something that's very crucial that you got to fit a lot into a small space and you only have X and like parameters and then that's how that last chapter essentially was. So it was. Almost you had to like decompress it as you read it, almost like poetry. Almost some, like, that with the descriptions, it was.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:39:48,830 ] It was so it's so poetic and and compressed and and he's I mean, I think his style of writing is just great. I mean, it's one of my favorite styles ever, where it's completely linear narrative. But the things he chooses to describe and say in his sentences, they become, like, very poetic in a... And not just poetic in a traditional poetic way. And I think this is the killer Gibson thing. It's just really fucking cool. And when it came out... when none of this other cool stuff existed, when there were no edgelords, right? It was, it was so cool that there was like nothing like it, and you're like, 'Wow, this guy's voice as a writer is pretty awesome.'
Casper Shadows [ 00:40:39,220 ] Yeah, I can, yeah, I could see that. I mean, just because, like, I said, I don't, I'm not really used to that genre or that style or something, but yeah, it's definitely different.
Casper Shadows [ 00:40:48,640 ] It's definitely, like, just cool.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:40:49,820 ] It's got, like, a swagger or something. Swagger. No, it's got, like, the most... And not even a cringey swagger. It just has the most, like, the most Real swagger of like any any any novel really um yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:41:05,370 ] There was a couple— Boyd, were you going to say something? I don't want to cut you off.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:09,080 ] I was going to say I wanted to ask about the the character of Flatline, which was a construct. Can you explain what exactly was was it not? Or is it something like Mr. Anderson? Not Mr. Yeah, Mr. Anderson in the Matrix where it was a program. But you had the capacity to evolve to something bigger. Um. And become sentient AI.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:35,470 ] Or was there something in place that just strictly made it a program? It was just based on the brainwaves of that hacker that got killed or something. I don't really understand. He was a very interesting character, or it was a character. of some sort.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:41:53,610 ] Dixie, yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:41:54,990 ] Yeah, he was like... I mean, as far as the... The construct, yeah. He was like... Not. or to my knowledge, I mean that's where again Kirian could weigh in on this, but uh. He was like, He, like, lived in, in, uh... the like in the construct or in the software. But he wasn't like a real person. I mean, I think that's why he wanted to be.
Casper Shadows [ 00:42:20,310 ] deprogrammed or erased or whatever because he's just He's like, yeah, there's nothing.
Casper Shadows [ 00:42:25,990 ] Like, because it's not. like being human, you know, it's not living. Um, Did you take it that way? But see, at the end, though, there was an interesting thing, and that was actually something I wanted to kind of ask about.
Casper Shadows [ 00:42:38,230 ] I know, like, I forget where. I know he mentioned the eastern seaboard or something earlier on in the book. And I couldn't find.
Casper Shadows [ 00:42:48,000 ] Like, the reference to it earlier and like what it meant— if he like, if he travels past that, if it means like certain death or something. I mean that's kind of like what I thought I remembered.
Casper Shadows [ 00:42:58,070 ] But at the very, very end, though, when he flies past that. And he looks back and he sees.
Casper Shadows [ 00:43:06,930 ] Himself or, you know, and Dixie's on the beach.
Casper Shadows [ 00:43:10,660 ] Yeah and he hears the laughter right, and it's like— or it's like—there's a hint at the So it's like he survived too. I mean, so it's like he... To Hemboyd's point. I think it's like—I was curious about that myself, you know, because he like seems to be taken into.
Casper Shadows [ 00:43:28,080 ] Something you know I don't know. Yeah, no.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:43:29,620 ] I think I... I mean, what I got out of it was he. He was. He was an AI. He realized he was like limited. He would repeat himself. He came to the realization he had enough self-awareness to realize he was limited and that he was just like—like, he wasn't a real person. Like, it was incomplete. Like, all he could do was run these programs. Like, he couldn't go out and be a real human. Right. So he, what he wanted was just to be turned off. Right. He once he realized he wanted to be like turned off, but then at the end, there's this new kind of, like, universe or whatever. Once they've merged. And, you know, what Wintermute says is, he's like, 'What happened?' Is what happened to Bobby. Wintermute says, 'I gave him what he wanted.' Initially, you think, 'Oh, he turned him off.' But then later on, you hear that like, 'Okay.' So Linda Lee might be alive and he might be alive. It was like a really happy ending. It was actually like the happiest ending for everybody.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:44:29,950 ] And then, you know, Case gets... Molly for, you know, a few months, but then she, you know, leaves him because she has to, you know, stay sharp, right? So, yeah, everybody kind of, like, followed their nature. and got what they wanted, and it was kind of like a happy ending. The only person who didn't get what they wanted was Case, but what he wanted was his own death. So he kind of won, too. Right. So it was— it was a super— that's the other thing, too, is like it was like a very, very happy ending for a cyberpunk book, which, you know, like it wasn't it wasn't really that dark when you think about it. Right. It wasn't grimdark. Yeah.
Wild Mage [ 00:45:09,930 ] Yeah, so do you know—um, I mean, didn't they reference something about flying over the Eastern Seaboard?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:45:17,610 ] Yeah, the Eastern Seaboard. Seaboard Vision Authority. Yeah. Yeah. And so I, I don't know exactly what that is. So they talk about the East coast being the sprawl, the Bama sprawl. Right. So from Boston, from Boston. To Atlanta is like nothing but cities. Right? But on the eastern seaboard, there must be something. And I don't know if it exists in real space or just in that that that universe that was created when they merged. But you know, there's there's there's there's like a beach, there's like a horizon, there's like— It's not a paradise, but it's like a place outside the sprawl, you know, and and that's where they were. It's very metaphorical to me. But yeah, that's what that's how I read it. Anyway, okay.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:06,110 ] Yeah, because I wasn't sure if, like, because I thought it went, and that's where, again, I couldn't find it. But I thought maybe it was, like, military or something.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:13,590 ] I was like, I don't know if when he went past that, if it was like he was like essentially killing himself or like you know, and then. Yeah. But I don't know. That's what I'm saying. But then he looks back and he sees himself. So it's kind of like he was.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:26,820 ] Um.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:28,960 ] He was taken into Neuromancer 2.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:46:33,180 ] Yeah, there's a copy of him there.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:36,720 ] Yeah, so he's there with Wendell Yee and with the kid. And then you hear Dixie's laugh. You know yep.
Casper Shadows [ 00:46:44,420 ] But then, and the other thing too, I kind of, I... took the uh, like the Chinese star or whatever you know, the like the shuriken yeah, shuriken yeah, yeah. That was like I kind of think that that was symbolic, you know, like because he talked about how that represented his destiny. And those were like his stars, you know, that he'd follow. And then, like, at the end, like you're saying, after finishing, I did go back and see your comment on the spoilers and the things you shook out of it like after this read.
Casper Shadows [ 00:47:15,899 ] Curator, you know and like, yeah, when you're talking about his character arc, I was like, 'Yeah,' because I think that, that was basically him taking control of his own destiny, you know, right— like, you know, 'Fuck it' or whatever, and he's like, 'Throws it into the screen It's like, I think he's just not like. You know, um, yeah, just not like, gonna just drip.
Wild Mage [ 00:47:37,420 ] Yeah or whatever, you know.
Casper Shadows [ 00:47:39,140 ] So he kind of, he takes control, so that's that's the way I took it, you know. So but the star kind of kept like showing up throughout the whole book, you know, and it's like, I don't know. I think it was. Um, A symbol, or I took it that way at least.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:47:54,280 ] Yeah, Shuriken, they got really popular in 84 too. A lot of things that we take for granted now didn't exist back then.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:48:04,290 ] This comic, uh, Daredevil by Frank Miller, uh, and, uh, he had this arc with which was very with Electra, and, you know, it's in popular consciousness now, but like, you know, kids, kids studying, kids, like really diving into martial arts and like weaponry and shuriken and stuff like that, that became very, very popular.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:48:28,890 ] In the 80s, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because of...
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:32,860 ] Oh, I remember growing up with that stuff. Yeah, I just remember him.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:48:36,110 ] Nunchucks yes and that yeah teenage mutant ninja turtles really blew it up you know because that was yeah that that was bigger than anything so yeah yeah I remember never getting the Leonardo action figure.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:48:51,660 ] with the with the swords they were always sold out they can never find it I had the other three Gosh that was such a hard toy to find. And I got it one year at Christmas and it wouldn't be the last one at Toys R Us. Eastern North Carolina or Texas. I think I was living there. I remember getting that. One of the parallels that I saw in this book that merges pre-pump culture. Um our cyberpunk to what's now out there is the Westworld type of stuff. Westworld came out many years before. Yep. Neuromancers, but that was more of the robotic thing with... A .I. 2.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:28,920 ] But the parallels I saw in the new series of Westworld, which they created on HBO, a series I consider one of my favorites, sci-fi. cyberpunk type of things to watch. was like they had that AI world. which is their construct.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:49:45,320 ] with a gate where you could pass through and it exists into that. And I see that. Man, if that isn't like a... like a complete take from Neuromancer. I don't know what it is.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:49:58,230 ] No, it totally, yeah. That totally is. The other thing that's totally from Neuromancer is this idea that human beings can be programmed. Um and and not just brainwashed but like literally programmed. And um, there's the scene where Molly, uh, you know, freaks out right at Peter's performance, and she has flashbacks to when she was, uh, I forgot what they called her, but basically the type of girl that, to make money, would have her mind replaced by other minds and she'd play a role. So it's kind of like, it's kind of, like Westworld, but it's actually using human beings playing the program. And I mean, they made a whole series. Joss Whedon took that whole concept and made this thing called Dollhouse. I don't know. Did any of y'all see Dollhouse?
Casper Shadows [ 00:50:51,160 ] No, I was just thinking, I think a lot of, the references. To like particularly television and stuff like I really don't know. I mean, I'm not familiar with a lot of TV and, Or, I mean, like, I've heard of them, but I haven't seen them. So it's like, so that's where I kind of. I get a bit. lost in like Yeah, the references to television. So I can't really say. And even some of the movies. I mean, I've seen Matrix, but it was like years ago. I mean, I can't remember. Or Blade Runner and stuff, you know, but.
Casper Shadows [ 00:51:21,270 ] But, um... Anyway, yeah, so I can't really speak to that stuff, I guess.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:51:26,350 ] But really influential. No, but really, like, to your point, Hen Boyd, like, Westworld, the new version of Westworld, and Dollhouse, and just, I mean, there's millions, like, so many of... The science fiction films since then have just like, you know, they take like one little part of, you know, it's so rich. They take one little part of, of Neuromancer and they can build like an entire TV show series out of it.
Casper Shadows [ 00:51:53,130 ] Yeah, with one little idea or one aspect.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:51:56,160 ] Yeah, that's how rich it is.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:51:58,140 ] Has it never been made into a movie or animated series?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:52:01,480 ] It just got optioned. It's actually been developed for the first time in 40 years.
Wild Mage [ 00:52:07,390 ] It's weird I wonder like how.
Casper Shadows [ 00:52:08,590 ] I mean it'll be interesting I guess to see but yeah it's like because like you're talking about the way it's done it's like yeah. It'd be hard to... It'll be interesting, I guess.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:21,110 ] Yeah, that would be very interesting. I was going to say that... yeah, that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:28,450 ] That it has a lot of potential in that side of things.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:33,680 ] So on the tip of my tongue, I was going to say another reference to it. But no, I mean, go for it.
Casper Shadows [ 00:52:40,080 ] I just I just can't like. I can't really weigh in as much on that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:52:43,630 ] Matrix is one of them with the web, but that just is a different – I've got to find a book where that's based off of. Um, But, uh... Yeah, with the Zion and such with the Matrix, I can kind of see that. Like, that was... The Rastafarian.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:02,590 ] referenced in that novel. Yep. Um, But the, uh... Man, what was the one I was going to... There's been a couple other Cinemax and Showtime.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:14,300 ] shows the one where you uh you can what is it, jump into a clone body? I cannot think they only did two seasons of it, but it was really one of the best I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:25,790 ] Oh. That's a look of it.
Casper Shadows [ 00:53:28,250 ] like the, uh, Sim stim stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:31,760 ] Yeah, it was that.
Casper Shadows [ 00:53:32,720 ] You could just put your personality into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:37,330 ] It was a really good series on HBO. I cannot remember. It only did two seasons and it got canceled. I was like, man, that was one I'll actually go protest. Like, I'll write a letter and jump on the bandwagon as they bring that show back. Um, because they also talked about cryptocurrencies as the future of the payments and such, which was pretty cool. Oh, weird.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:56,600 ] Um, But, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:53:59,960 ] So that's interesting about the Dixie.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:54:04,700 ] Aspect of it, what are some other things that that you could see her arm?
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:54:11,740 ] So what happened to Riviera? Was he killed or did he fade off into obscurity? Oh no, he was dead. He was killed by Hodeo?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:54:19,760 ] Well, if he wasn't... I mean, Molly poisoned his heroin. She basically poisoned his heroin. So he was dead. He was dead regardless. He's like, will Hideo track him down? And Jane's like, oh yeah, he will. He always, you know, I know he'll get his man. And Molly's like, he's dead anyway, so I poisoned his heroin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:54:39,230 ] Thank you. And I think that even Winter Mute, or not Winter Mute, Neuromancer, I think. said something like about him being dead too, or I don't know. Yeah. Or if he's not dead yet, yes, he's definitely going to die.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:54:52,170 ] Yeah. but I think that Hedaya was the assassin for that family.
Casper Shadows [ 00:54:58,330 ] And he only worked for that family. He was like the ninja.
Casper Shadows [ 00:55:02,210 ] The story that the Finn told earlier of the ninja that showed up to recover the head.
Casper Shadows [ 00:55:09,000 ] that turned out to be the computer.
Casper Shadows [ 00:55:12,140 ] Like, was Hideo. Yep.
Casper Shadows [ 00:55:15,160 ] Was Hideo blind? He became blind. He got blinded. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:55:21,220 ] Okay, such is the reference. I was getting ready to say John Wick.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:55:26,150 ] That assassin that was blind. Oh, yeah, totally.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:55:29,190 ] But that's a trope. That's a pretty common trope. The Asian monk assassin who can't see, but it's all his sense. It's like Daredevil. Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:55:38,730 ] Thank you.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:55:41,580 ] We'll scratch that one from Myth and Monsters. Maybe you do have one. You got one of my...
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:55:47,660 ] one of my big raiders is uh he's got the goggles on maybe he's one of those we should have had we should have a blind trick we should have a blind assassin yes we should have had the the kitsune girls with them yeah that was an oversight that would have been awesome Yeah, make me one.
Casper Shadows [ 00:56:02,680 ] I'll take one.
Casper Shadows [ 00:56:05,080 ] We'll change your metadata. We'll change your metadata.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:56:08,400 ] No, we can start another collection.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:13,160 ] Inflation! More mint money.
SPEAKER_1 [ 00:56:17,440 ] If you're Titan or Overlord, you get a custom one-on-one Myths and Monsters to make up for the ones we didn't get for Forgotten Rooms. Nice.
Casper Shadows [ 00:56:26,300 ] So, uh... As far as the Neuromancer, another thing that I kind of... I mean, I. The way I took it, or like, referring to... what Himboy's talking about, how... particularly towards the end. And I think Igdo will... was kind of saying the same type of thing in the uh Chat. Did it like, it gets a bit. convoluted and kind of like hard to track what's going on exactly and what's like what what is where like stuff like that but like I think some of that. Like Bill Estrella, I mean, the whole thing is like... I mean, that was the whole, um, or what am I trying to say? It's Bill Estrella was like... the wasp nest, you know, that just like it's it's it is confusing and it doesn't make any sense right. I mean, it's like within the spindle. Like, underneath or around the, um, What's it called?
Casper Shadows [ 00:57:19,780 ] What's the free side?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:57:21,230 ] Yep.
Casper Shadows [ 00:57:22,020 ] You know, But, yeah, so, I mean, like, it was, I guess it's more like... you really do get lost. And I think some of that's like intentional because that's kind of the nature of like the place. Where it's like, you know, there's no like you're going up, you're going down, you don't know where you are. It's like none of it. Makes sense. They're just like. It's kind of just crazy, like madhouse kind of thing. Or that's, am I right about that?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:57:45,520 ] Yeah, I think, I mean, that's, I think that's pretty intentional. Yeah, pretty. pretty intentional. Hey, the one thing— the one thing I wanted to go back to before we got too far away from it, just as a plug. It which is right, uh, so Molly talks about and how, you know, they talk about, oh, he's probably an assassin that they just... He's a clone, basically. He's basically an assassin clone. That they just like keep making more of. She says like. I met one of him. He killed a friend of mine. So there's two. There's two stories about him. In Neuromancer, one is him recovering the head, and the other is Molly talking about, you know, her previous encounter with him. That story exists. It's actually in Count Zero.
Casper Shadows [ 00:58:34,430 ] Oh, interesting.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:58:35,400 ] Yeah. Count Zero is awesome. Council Roe is amazing. Yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 00:58:39,870 ] Yeah and I think that, at the end, I mean, it sounds like maybe the sequel was maybe different, but I thought, when... when when like I don't know what to call him, like Winter Mute. Neuromancer, like the new... The new entity? Yeah, the new entity. I thought that he was... kind of thing. Because he's like, well, who do you talk to if you're everything, you know? And I thought he was saying, like, more like, there are others out there, like, there's other intelligences, like, out maybe in space that we just hadn't been able to receive or we didn't have the intelligence to like to decipher. Oh, I think that's true. Yeah, I think that's true. So I thought it was like, I expected that the sequel might be more like... about like, um, like extra terrestrial intelligences and stuff, you know, and like something I mean, or at least that's kind of the setup that I kind of took from it. That, uh... Like now, that the AI is just like this super brain. It can finally decipher that we've been receiving messages since, like, the 70s or whenever, and it's like you know, it knows it now. It can now talk back or respond or something.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 00:59:52,180 ] Yeah, I've not read either of the two sequels, but I read the prequels.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:00:00,040 ] And Count Zero is a... bunch of different short stories, only three three of the like 10 stories are from the sprawl, so not the whole book. The whole book is in isn't the sprawl. Um, okay, yeah, but but three of the three— three of the ten books. Three of the short stories are prequels to the Sprawl. Stories are prequels to Neuromancer. And Molly's in one. One or two. I can't remember.
Casper Shadows [ 01:00:28,680 ] Oh, that's interesting, because that's on Amazon. Count Zero shows up as the... As the sequel, you're saying that that's actually just a collection of short stories? Oh, wait.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:00:37,560 ] No, I'm misspeaking. Yes, count... Wait. Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive. Yeah, those are the sequels. What's the name of the... Oh, wait, no, yeah. Count Zero is the sequel. I'm trying to think of the, um... I know I've seen other titles.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:00:57,400 ] Oh, I have it! Oh, jeez, I have it. Hold on. Burning Chrome, yes, I was going to walk to my bookcase and look at it. Yes, Burning Chrome. The covers look almost exactly the same, so they just got melded together in my mind. But yes, Burning Probe. Burning Chrome is the short story collection with the Pete Wolves. That's the good one. Burning Chrome. Yeah. Must read.
Casper Shadows [ 01:01:22,490 ] Yeah, I'm going to put it in my cart just for later.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:01:25,010 ] Watch this.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:01:26,910 ] On the topic of, you know, where we are at today compared to when this book was written, when they were talking about Freeside. and they were talking about um villa starlight when all I could think of was the video game halo and that's what it was it was a halo and I imagine that the atmosphere was built like that but instead of like having it open with a full service atmosphere it was it was a projection with a slit down the middle for the light to come through.
Casper Shadows [ 01:01:57,540 ] Well, I was the PlayStation guy, so I didn't play Halo.
Casper Shadows [ 01:02:03,180 ] So, but, uh... I did play Destiny when they finally got a Switch. But anyway, the thing is, I think that that was like, I actually had to, that was like one of those. A few things I did. look up you know it's like what the heck it was like talking about when it was talking about the spindle and like, you know, or just like, I couldn't really.
Casper Shadows [ 01:02:20,710 ] Conceive it or I didn't know really what it was referring to, but anyway, I looked it up and it looked like there is kind of um like it's basically like I know that um what's his name uh Armitage is explaining it to them at one point and kind of like laying out the game plan, so to speak. But they're saying, oh, it's like a cigar or something. But that's basically what the spindle is. It's like. The, um... Like, what do they call it? Like, it's like... The portal, like, what do they call it? They call it the, uh... Do you guys remember, I forget what they call it, like the gravitational... Um, lift or elevator. I don't know. Anyway, but the spindle is basically, I think, it's like, it's almost like a football.
Casper Shadows [ 01:03:07,270 ] And then like inside the spindle is, is, um, three sides. I think.
Casper Shadows [ 01:03:14,140 ] Where it's like an actual, like... a place, right? It's just that, like, I think that, because of the rotation, there's like artificial gravity within it. And there's like a strip, like what you're saying, where it's like an artificial sun that just kind of runs down. From like the bottom to top or whatever, you know.
Casper Shadows [ 01:03:34,840 ] And like, and that phyllis stray light is actually like at the tip of one of the ends.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:03:40,440 ] Yeah, no, so it's, I mean... Yeah, you're both right, because it's... it's an orbiting habitat that is somewhat like um a like a space ark right with some of the so And there's two kind of designs. Like, in actual science, like, in the actual world of science, there are, like, two designs. One is called an O'Neill cylinder, and the... The spindle is very much like an O'Neill cylinder, which is like a small version of one of these permanent... space habitats, space arc things. And the other one is, is a, um, is, um, so there's the O'Neill cylinder and then there's a Stanford Taurus. Which is a giant Taurus, which is really like Ringworld, which Halo is completely copied off Ringworld.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:04:43,620 ] Which is which is another great science fiction novel, but when taken to the extreme, when like made into giant like things that are like hundreds of times than Earth, but like you're right, henboy that's kind of like a small version of one of those habitats where you can permanently live because of the lighting and the rotation and it's it's like an O'Neill cylinder, the O'Neill cylinder is the actual designed scientifically in our universe of what that thing is.
Casper Shadows [ 01:05:15,670 ] So, Um, Like, it's an actual... construct though right, I mean it's like an actual building that they could they go underneath and like a lot of like mollies like room and stuff is like within the um Like, behind the, like... I forget the term I use.
Casper Shadows [ 01:05:37,860 ] But it's, like, inside the walls of it, you know?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:05:39,980 ] Yeah, there's, like, an outside... There's an inside and an outside. Yeah. And there's... Yeah, yep.
Casper Shadows [ 01:05:46,910 ] Okay. That's like why the gravity kind of plays tricks, too, because I think it's like. As you get towards the ends, doesn't the gravity like because of the rotational gravity, it's like it weakens or it becomes like... Yeah. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah. That's kind of that's what I thought and that, but I just yeah, like, I said, I had to look that up and just kind of see— I forget what they call it. Gravitational... In the book, but um, yeah, I mean they do that.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:06:10,356 ] They do the rotation, they do the lighting, and the rotation, and everything. So that you know, in the center, in the fancy resort-like places, it feels like Earth right. But then, as you get to the outer portions of it or the outside, it's more like a space station, basically. Yeah, yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 01:06:28,910 ] And like, um, and I know at one point when they're talking about, just like. the main, I forget the road. the street in stray light. Or maybe it was. Not Straylight. Or maybe it is called Straylight. I don't know. But the main street in Freeside. and then there's like one that runs, uh, perpendicular to it, I guess you know that, like, actually, I think it's the circumference of, like, the spindle, right? Right, and that's where he's like, 'Oh, if you if you were to turn right onto that street you'd come all the way back to this street you know, yeah, because you'd circle like the whole thing, yeah, yeah.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:07:03,550 ] Yep.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:07:05,390 ] Yeah. So, yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 01:07:06,210 ] Anyway, hopefully that. I mean, that, yeah, that's how I took it, and I actually had to look.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:07:12,120 ] It's a good, this is a good discussion of like what the form of that place is, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:19,410 ] Yeah, okay. I see what you're talking about. What other video game was that in? Good God. It was recent. Mass Effect?
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:30,520 ] Where you would go into these cylinders and it would be like that. It was an O'Neill cylinder.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:07:35,360 ] Have y'all played Mass Effect?
Casper Shadows [ 01:07:36,640 ] I think I started playing it, like... A little bit. It seems cool. But I never. Yeah.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:07:42,280 ] Yeah, every... you know every every science fiction like kind of like universes like that or Dyson sphere they're all like those like kind of fabricated you know world like prefabricated like you should read Ring World Ring World I highly recommend my wife my wife has read every Larry Niven book which is like way beyond me it like is too much hard SF for me she loves it loves loves hard SF love that loves Asimov loves loves Niven like much more so than me um but but Ring World the original one is awesome So the Ring will have to spin at a very high velocity in order to sustain gravity.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:08:26,830 ] So Ringworld is so large it orbits an artificial sun. Like, it's ridiculous. It's like thousands of... births. I think it's, it's, it's, it's astronomically, it's the most absurd astronomical scale imaginable. And you find out why like later on, but it's like, it's just like a massive world, like massive.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:08:51,399 ] Oh, so it's like an own orbit around the sun.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:08:55,330 ] Yeah, it's like a Dyson sphere. Yeah, it orbits a sun. It orbits, it's a ring that orbits a sun.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:05,020 ] Oh, I see it. Like, that would be so big.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:09,550 ] I mean, it would be trillions of Earths.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:09:12,240 ] It's a small mini-sun, so it's only like tens of thousands of Earths, I think. But it is like tens of thousands of Earths, yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:23,069 ] I see. I see.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:09:24,470 ] Yeah, there's a graphic novel on it. Oh, yeah, it's pretty friggin' awesome. I mean, it's... And that won the Hugo Award, too.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:09:33,939 ] Uh, you know I think, 10 years it won the Hugo Award, 10 years before Uh, Neuromancer. Um.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:09:40,889 ] But it's a good one. It's a good one. Ringworld's a great one.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:44,859 ] All right, we'll have to put that on the list for the next... I haven't read it, actually. I haven't read it.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:51,240 ] We have to put it on the list for the next book club.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:54,700 ] We're getting to that time, so we've got to discuss what we're going to do next time.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:09:59,810 ] Next book. Or next show.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:10:03,290 ] Next show, we'll get to that after Titan Tuesday. I'm not going to.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:10:09,190 ] I'm holding my breath there on Titan Tuesday. I think I'm going to start compiling guests and stuff like that after that so we know what to, uh, what to do because you know, forgotten ruins has just gotten so you know.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:10:24,420 ] Just nothing happening, right? I do want to get Feckless on soon to discuss the game. And I guess I got to get... Sasha back to talk about this gambling thing, which I'm very interested in, by the way. Bomb.
Casper Shadows [ 01:10:38,940 ] So the next goes well, the next book, I mean, we could do another vote too, but um Yeah, I kind of thought, all right. I know Curator was mentioning Hyperion.
Casper Shadows [ 01:10:49,440 ] Um, and we could do a vote, too.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:10:52,180 ] Yeah, we should definitely vote, but... Dan Simmons passed away three days ago. And, uh, And Hyperion is a work of art. It really is a work of art.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:11:04,850 ] And people voted for, I think it won second. Hyperion might have come in second place.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:11:10,020 ] You know, we were talking about Hyperion, the dying Earth. Or Neuromancer, and there were like people who wanted to read Hyperion. So we'll have to see.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:11:20,680 ] What do you think, Wild Mage?
SPEAKER_2 [ 01:11:24,290 ] I think I need to finish Neuromancer.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:11:28,340 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:11:30,110 ] You need to finish Neuromancer and then we'll vote on the next book. Give us a month. And then that will put us into three-year anniversary territory.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:11:39,750 ] For kindling things back up. End.
Casper Shadows [ 01:11:43,630 ] That was an awesome pick. Thanks. Curator for... I mean, because I... I know we voted on these, but yeah, like those were all kind of your suggestions, weren't they?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:11:54,440 ] Well, actually, somebody else suggested Hyperion. And I'm sure Dying Earth originally came from me. Yeah. You and I talk about it. You and I talk about it all the time. It's like my favorite, Jack Vance is my favorite author. I just talk about it all the time. But yeah, I mean, the reason I suggested Neuromancer is because we're living it. I mean, the AIs are born. My engineers were saying, like... you know, Yeah. Basically in December, to January?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:12:23,050 ] All of software development changed. And that's why we've been able to move so fast.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:12:28,770 ] So our lead engineer has one actual engineer, human, he's working with to do the smart contract portion of things. And some of the front end, but he has agents, right? And it's not like this vibe coded thing where, like, oh, I'm just going to vibe code and everything. Like he's actually doing all the check-ins himself, but he's like doing them tasks and then checking it and then checking in. He's like treating them like junior programmers. So, anyways. That's why Neuromancer is perfect. Because we're living it now. 40 years later. Yeah.
Casper Shadows [ 01:13:03,460 ] That's what I'm saying. It would have been really interesting and probably mind-blowing to like... to kind of try to conceive these things back. Before there was even an internet, you know?
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:13:13,340 ] I have no idea how we, like, you know, BBSs existed, like bulletin boards where kids would go, and there were multiplayer games you'd play. Like, they were MUDs. They were all text-based. But to conceive of all this stuff... and be accurate.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:13:29,200 ] In 84, is just... It just blows your mind. It blows your mind.
Casper Shadows [ 01:13:34,800 ] Um, because now it's almost like you said, like that's what I mean is when you read it and it's like, The whole thing's about AI and artificial intelligence. It's like... You forget how... how like radical or how kind of like yeah wild idea that was back when he wrote it, you know. Not like. It's not like, oh, okay, it's an AI that's just trying to kind of like become. Like. Smarter or kind of like 'Yeah,'
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:13:56,430 ] no. It's just like it's just like reading Jules Verne's like 'Journey to the Moon' or whatever and then and then living to see like space flight to see people actually go to the moon right like it's like holy you know Verne talked about it you know 80 years before it happened or whatever it's like holy Gibson talked about this 40 years before it happened.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:14:18,540 ] Well, I'm glad I got to read it now so I can tell my kids to read it. When they get old enough to read it and understand it, probably in college or a high school.
Casper Shadows [ 01:14:28,360 ] But it's definitely, I think, uh, like when you're talking about kind of like having to read it quickly and stuff like I I don't know if I mean, like. There's a lot that I don't know if I would have.
Casper Shadows [ 01:14:40,980 ] Like picked up on or something if I had to go through it so fast, you know, but. But I don't know, that's where like maybe a second or third. read or something. At some point.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:14:50,260 ] I probably read 75% of it at a very... moderate pace, but then I picked it up this weekend. I was like, damn, if I'm going to be like last time and just get through the first couple chapters. Yeah, I know. But it's a commitment. I like it.
Casper Shadows [ 01:15:05,970 ] Yeah, no, it's cool. And yeah, it's awesome that you got through it. Um, So yeah, is there anything else? Like, I mean, I can't.
Casper Shadows [ 01:15:15,560 ] think of it are there any other ideas just like i know we gotta wrap this up but like Um, specifically about the book or anything anyone was going to mention or talk about?
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:15:26,800 ] Oh.
Casper Shadows [ 01:15:27,400 ] Ooh.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:15:29,950 ] I don't have anything else. I had a bunch of questions. I think we went through most of them. Um, and just. conversation.
Wild Mage [ 01:15:37,310 ] Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:15:39,170 ] All right.
Casper Shadows [ 01:15:40,330 ] Well, yeah, that was awesome.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:15:42,070 ] Well, um... The plan will be to pick another book this week, or put a poll up and discuss that next Monday. Get the updates for Myths and Monsters. Curator gave us a... a mandate to check it out because something else is going to happen.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:16:00,530 ] We're all going to get honorary Myths and Monsters.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:16:05,240 ] Yeah, they're going to be guardian raider assassin healers. That's right.
Cur8tor Cur8Tor [ 01:16:12,350 ] Blind. Blind Guardian Radio. Blind. Yeah. Blind card.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:16:18,180 ] But, um... Yeah, man, it was a fantastic book, and I'm excited. We got some content once a month to do this while we have the bear market. Trading's going well. This war that's got in the Middle East has kind of dampened some things. We'll see how this all shakes out. Hopefully all this conflict gets resolved soon, but it doesn't look like it. Um, until then, it's just like hold your butts if you're trading because it's $1,800 for ETH at one moment, then it's $2,100 the next. You got these 15, 20% price fluctuations in everything, including Bitcoin. So somebody's going to end up on the right side of this. Um You know, it reminds me a lot of 2018 and 19. uh on the on the liquidity coming in and out, people are just pulling out, they're done with it, other people are like, this is the best buying opportunity in a long time.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:17:18,930 ] So stay safe out there, my friends. Um... You could make a lot of money, you could lose a lot of money too, if you're not careful. We'll continue to post wins. I don't post my losses so much. They're very much minimal as compared to my wins because I have stop losses.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:17:38,870 ] And then I'll just take a step back and be like, 'All right, I got to find a better entry on the long.' I always rebound on a long. Um, I don't know. Everybody's trader's different. I tried to short this afternoon and got blown out by that. I was like, 'Okay, well, I can't win.'
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:17:55,130 ] Either way.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:17:57,410 ] So hopefully some more Mists and Monsters go on sale so I can buy some more to get to 20. I need seven more, so I'm grinding.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:18:08,010 ] Yeah, yeah, you're further along than I am. Yeah, I'm I'm grinding one at a time or two at a time, if that's what the case I like to see the secondary market open up. I think that that's going to be a lot of fun. I don't think we're going to hit any movement on that until the raids come out and people really want to get that 90% or 80% success rate. And also... Yeah.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:18:32,200 ] Thin out their collection, then they'll regret thinning out their collection, buy back higher, kind of thing like that.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:18:43,040 ] All right. Wild Mage, you got anything else?
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:18:47,270 ] Ohhhh.
SPEAKER_2 [ 01:18:49,160 ] Not in particular.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:18:52,720 ] All right, well, we'll tune in for Titan Tuesday. I'm going to leave you with a tune from... Casper in the Shadows.
SPEAKER_2 [ 01:19:00,940 ] There you go.
SPEAKER_1 [ 01:19:01,990 ] Thank you all for joining us. That was fun. Yeah, that was. It was a fun one, yeah. Thanks, guys. Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_2 [ 01:19:09,680 ] Bye y'all.
Casper Shadows [ 01:19:10,750 ] Bye.
Casper Shadows [ 01:19:31,690 ] Thank you.
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